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From: Matthew Faupel
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:13
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:13
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In article <01GSF2YTY5Q8I7IMKE@kiera.ericsson.se> LMEBGO@kiera.ericsson.se (Bengt G{llmo, L M Ericsson, Stockholm, Sweden) writes:
> My wife and I have an annual disagreement on the pronounciation
> of a Latin word. She sings in a choir. At this time of the
> year, they sing Christmas carols, mostly English. Several of
> them include the Latin phrase "Gloria in excelsis Deo". Our
> disagreement concerns the "c". The choir pronounces it as an
> Englishman pronounces "ch" in "china". I have told them that
> they sing Latin in Italian; that is how an Italian would
> pronounce "excelsis". It is also awkward to sing. In Latin,
> I claim, the "c" should simply be pronounced "s". A counter-
> claim from somebody in the choir is that the "ch" pronounciation
> is correct if you are singing Latin from a certain century (the
> 17th?), to which I reply that the phrase must have been used in
> church at least a thousand years before that.
> Comments, anyone?
As I understand it, if we leave aside the murdering of the pronunciation
that generally happens when speaking a foreign language, there are two
"standard" ways of pronouncing Latin: classical and church. Classical is
the pronunciation of Latin that linguistic research has come up with based
on analysis of contemporary poetry and the like; this has a hard C. Church
Latin is that used by the Catholic church (and so as far as singing carols
goes is probably the "correct" one) and in it C is pronounced as english CH.
Other variations are in the pronunciation of V (as english V in church but W
in classical) and the various vowels (can't remember the distinctions
without looking them up I'm afraid).
Matthew
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Newsgroups: sci.lang Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!mcsun!news.funet.fi!funic!nokia.fi!newshost!matthew From: matthew@uk.tele.nokia.fi (Matthew Faupel) Subject: Re: Christmas linguistics In-Reply-To: LMEBGO@kiera.ericsson.se's message of 17 Dec 1992 06:03:00 -0600 Message-ID: <MATTHEW.92Dec17191327@eeyore.uk.tele.nokia.fi> Lines: 38 Sender: usenet@noknic.nokia.fi (USENET at noknic) Nntp-Posting-Host: eeyore.uk.tele.nokia.fi Organization: Nokia Telecommunications, Cambridge, UK References: <01GSF2YTY5Q8I7IMKE@kiera.ericsson.se> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:13:30 GMT