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Article #197Re: Chomsky's "Minimalist" paper
From: Michael Zeleny
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:02
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:02
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In article <36538@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu>
djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.113534.4232@athena.mit.edu>
>pesetsk@athena.mit.edu (David M Pesetsky) writes:
DMP:
>>nam est'
Wrong case. Try "u nas est' komu pomoch' yemu"
>>mnye (bylo) pomoch' yemu
Nonsense. The ellipsis is not allowable; in any case, it should have
been "mnye nado/nuzhno bylo pomoch' yemu"
>>me-DAT was-NEUT help-infin him-DAT
me-DAT need was-NEUT help-infin him-DAT
>>`I had to help him/I was supposed to help him`
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>There are more interesting cases, like (cf. Gil Rappaport, Russian
>>Linguistics circa 1986):
>>
>>nam est' komu pomoch' yemu
"u nas est' komu pomoch' yemu"
Where do you get these experts?
DAJ:
>Here's one I ran into on soc.culture.soviet a couple of months ago:
>
> v Kieve ix bylo polno
> in Kiev them-GEN was-NEUT/SING full-NEUT/SING
Wrong case (same spelling):
in Kiev them-ACC was-NEUT/SING many
Attention: "p\'olno" = "full"; "poln\'o" = "many".
> 'Kiev was full of them (Russians, as I remember)'
>
>David Johns
regards,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
who has the authority of a native speaker
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