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Re: Esperanto a natural language?

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From: Ivan A Derzhanski
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:06
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In article <Z6U06ED@minnie.zdv.uni-mainz.de> knappen@obelix.kph.Uni-Mainz.DE writes:
>Date: Wed, 01 Jan 92 12:10:14 PST
>From: paul hopkins <PASHE@UVVM.UVic.CA>

>[...] the table of corelatives
>(kio, tio, cxio, kie, tie, cxie, ... ) seems a regular pattern, but only
>when it is presented to us as a whole pattern.

Yet many languages (such as Hindi, or the Polynesian family) come very
close to having very similar tables of almost the same regularity.

>Children learning Eo as a first language may not see it this way, but
>rather as a class of primitives, like cxi, nun, almenaux....

I'm not sure I understand this.  What do "nun" and "almenau" have to
do with the table of correlatives?  Actually, the very existence of
"nun" goes against the idea of a regular table of correlatives.

>As evidence of this i cite an observation i made
>a few years ago listening to a pair of children who had learned Eo as their
>first language. Perhaps influenced by English, their second language (or
>perhaps not, who knows?), they felt a need for a single word equivalent to
>English 'this' (in Esperanto: 'tio cxi'/'tion cxi', 'tiu cxi'/'tiun cxi',
>so they created the word 'toncxi'.

They must have been influenced by English, otherwise I'm at a loss for
an explanation of why French kids don't feel a need for a single word
substitute for "celui-ci".  On the other hand, it is interesting that
they disregarded the distinction between "tiu-chi" and "tiun-chi",
"tio-chi" and "tion-chi".

-- 
 `D'ye mind tellin me whit the two o ye are gaun oan aboot?' (The Glasgow
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From: iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ivan A Derzhanski)
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Subject: Re: Esperanto a natural language?
Keywords: Language acquisition of esperanto
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Date: 22 Jan 93 12:06:50 GMT
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