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Article #2038Re: Esperanto a natural language?
From: Ivan A Derzhanski
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:06
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:06
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In article <Z6U06ED@minnie.zdv.uni-mainz.de> knappen@obelix.kph.Uni-Mainz.DE writes: >Date: Wed, 01 Jan 92 12:10:14 PST >From: paul hopkins <PASHE@UVVM.UVic.CA> >[...] the table of corelatives >(kio, tio, cxio, kie, tie, cxie, ... ) seems a regular pattern, but only >when it is presented to us as a whole pattern. Yet many languages (such as Hindi, or the Polynesian family) come very close to having very similar tables of almost the same regularity. >Children learning Eo as a first language may not see it this way, but >rather as a class of primitives, like cxi, nun, almenaux.... I'm not sure I understand this. What do "nun" and "almenau" have to do with the table of correlatives? Actually, the very existence of "nun" goes against the idea of a regular table of correlatives. >As evidence of this i cite an observation i made >a few years ago listening to a pair of children who had learned Eo as their >first language. Perhaps influenced by English, their second language (or >perhaps not, who knows?), they felt a need for a single word equivalent to >English 'this' (in Esperanto: 'tio cxi'/'tion cxi', 'tiu cxi'/'tiun cxi', >so they created the word 'toncxi'. They must have been influenced by English, otherwise I'm at a loss for an explanation of why French kids don't feel a need for a single word substitute for "celui-ci". On the other hand, it is interesting that they disregarded the distinction between "tiu-chi" and "tiun-chi", "tio-chi" and "tion-chi". -- `D'ye mind tellin me whit the two o ye are gaun oan aboot?' (The Glasgow Ivan A Derzhanski (iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk; iad@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu) Gospel) * Centre for Cognitive Science, 2 Buccleuch Place, Edinburgh EH8 9LW, UK * Cowan House, Pollock Halls, 18 Holyrood Park Road, Edinburgh EH16 5BD, UK
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!pipex!unipalm!uknet!edcastle!edcogsci!iad From: iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ivan A Derzhanski) Newsgroups: sci.lang Subject: Re: Esperanto a natural language? Keywords: Language acquisition of esperanto Message-ID: <12472@sorley.ed.ac.uk> Date: 22 Jan 93 12:06:50 GMT References: <21405@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> <Z6U06ED@minnie.zdv.uni-mainz.de> Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK Lines: 36