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Article #2141Re: Bulgarians - descendents of a Finn...
From: Hubey
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1993 04:54
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1993 04:54
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In article <1993Jan7.012915.18582@leland.Stanford.EDU> alderson@elaine46.Stanford.EDU (Rich Alderson) writes: > However, languages change whether or not they encounter speakers of other > languages. Thus, there is no language in the Indo-European family that is any > closer to the Ursprache than any other at the same time depth, for some notion > of closeness. > > That is, the phonology and/or the morphology and/or the syntax will be changed > from that of the parent language. I don't have any doubts that languages change for a variety of reasons. Neither do I subscribe to the view that all changes emanate from only one cause in every case. However, if languages change as a result of some internal effort at some kind of an optimizing principle, then it should be an observable universal. It should be possible, then, to find this univeral principle since there are so many languages that lingusists have studied. On the other hand, if the changes are caused by external influence, then although exhibiting some kind of regularity in the pattern of the changes, it probably could be attributed more to the characteristics of the external influence than to the universality of the transition. Thus methods can be devised, in principle, to distinguish between the two kinds of changes. > Besides, given current thinking on the reconstruction of Proto-Indo-European, > somewhere at a midpoint between the Eastern Goths and the Western Armenians > would be best under your proposed model. There are problems with that location > as well. I did not and do not defend any of the views put forward by any of the constructionists. I'm only attempting to point out inconsistencies in some of the current thoughts. My main concern, and one of my hobbies, is to derive methods of obtaining numbers for various schemes. This is a very important part of science since it enables researchers to create unambiguous models on the basis of which discourse can take place. Never have I denigrated the tremendous effort expended by linguists at various times to produce some regularity/pattern that is not plainly visible. This is the essence of science. However, none of this should be taken to mean that 'Then End' as arrived and that linguistics has reached the point where nothing else can be added. It would be too arrogant of anyone to even hint at such a conclusion. The wheel is still spinning, not only for linguistics, but even for mathematics. There will probably be no end to this process and the linguists should be well aware of it. -- mark hubey@amiga.montclair.edu hubey@apollo.montclair.edu hubey@pilot.njin.net ...!rutgers!pilot!hubey
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!pilot.njin.net!hubey From: hubey@pilot.njin.net (Hubey) Newsgroups: sci.lang Subject: Re: Bulgarians - descendents of a Finn... Message-ID: <Jan.6.23.54.18.1993.24244@pilot.njin.net> Date: 7 Jan 93 04:54:18 GMT References: <1993Jan3.164904.6398@desire.wright.edu> <Jan.3.19.08.23.1993.201@pilot.njin.net> <1993Jan4.032130.12753@trl.oz.au> <Jan.4.14.40.42.1993.18485@pilot.njin.net> <1993Jan6.185852.7762@leland.Stanford.EDU> <Jan.6.16.07.53.1993.13867@pilot.njin.net> <1993Jan7. Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 60