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Article #2258Re: Definitions of terms that have bothered Mark Hubey
From: Rich Alderson
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 01:56
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 01:56
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In article <memo.851489@cix.compulink.co.uk>, petex@cix (Peter Christian) writes:
>In-Reply-To: <1993Jan8.002157.20841@leland.Stanford.EDU> alderson@cisco.com (Rich Alderson)
>> regular: Predictable by historical or comparative expectation.
>
>I'm not querying the definition, but some people might be a bit baffled by the
>use of the word `predictable' refering to something in the past, where
>prediction in the normal sense doesn't apply. Perhaps you could add an extra
>gloss, something along the lines of:
>
> `occurring (generally!) without exception in identical
> circumstances'
In private e-mail, which I include with his permission, Leo Connolly had this
to say:
>Date: 8 Jan 93 08:35:00 CST
>From: "CONNOLLY LEO A" <CONNOLLY@memstvx1.memst.edu>
>Subject: Re: Definitions of terms that have bothered Mark Hubey
>To: "alderson" <alderson@cisco.com>
>
>I like your post very much, but I think this item is misleading because
>it's incomplete:
>
>>regular: Predictable by historical or comparative expectation.
>
>No one could say that the Junggrammatiker thought sound change was rule-
>governed in exactly the same way we do. Nevertheless, their whole terminology
>suggests that they believed *something* of the sort. German _regelmaessig_
>'regular' literally, and obviously, means 'according to the rule(s)' (_Regel_
>'rule', _Mass_ 'measure', _gemaess_ 'in accordance with'). Further, they
>established "sound laws" and postulated that they operated without exception
>("die Ausnahmslosigkeit der Lautgesetze"). So I'd suggest a definition:
>"apparently produced by the processes postulated to account for the same
>development in other words". Still, for your purposes, that's probably too
>much, which is why I'm not posting this. (Do so yourself if you like.)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I would like to thank both of you for your additions and clarifications.
Perhaps we can yet define this field so that non-practitioners can understand
what we do, and why.
--
Rich Alderson 'I wish life was not so short,' he thought. 'Languages take
such a time, and so do all the things one wants to know about.'
--J. R. R. Tolkien,
alderson@leland.stanford.edu _The Lost Road_
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