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Re: Frisian classification

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From: kyle
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:40
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In article <1992Jul24.083419.2680@metapro.DIALix.oz.au>, bernie@metapro.DIALix.oz.au (Bernd Felsche) writes:
> In <1992Jul21.173259.242@public.sub.org>
>    peterk@public.sub.org (Peter Kittel) writes:
> 
>>bernie@metapro.DIALix.oz.au (Bernd Felsche) writes:
> 
>>>From what I've heard of Frisian (a film on TV) it's about
>>>half-way between German and English, 
> 
>>Are you sure it was Frisian? I would guess it was Plattdeutsch, which
>>is spoken in Ostfriesland, but "Friesisch" is a totally different
>>language, today only spoken by few people north in Schleswig-Holstein,
>>and Friesisch is more like a celtic/gaelic language, not similar to
>>modern German or English.
> 
> Well, I guess I'll have to ask our resident Frisian, when
> she returns from her trip around the continent.
> 
> I am certain that it wasn't Plattdeutsch. I'd recognize it
> as I used to know some old people who spoke it frequently
> when I was visiting them.
> -- 
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As mentioned in other postings, Frisian is most certainly not Celtic.
Indeed, it's similarity to the Germanic language of English (English
remains a Germanic language despite a large number of Romance borrowings)
is evidenced by the existence of two proverbs, one on each side of the
English Channel.

In Southern England there is (or was) a saying : "'Bread, butter, and
green cheese' is good English and good Fries."

There is a very similar saying in Frisian in the northern Netherlands,
said for me by someone but not spelt. I will attempt to render it here
but if anyone knows Frisian orthography please improve on this;
"Breod, boter, en greane sjaes: wie dat niet sjeggen kan, is geen
oprjuchte Vries."

(Translated: "Bread, butter, and green cheese: he who cannot say that
is no upstanding ['upright'] Fries.")


By the way, I am not sure that my submissions are being forwarded to the
net properly. Can you please acknowledge with a posting, Bernie?
Do not e-mail me -- I KNOW that isn't working.

Thanks
Kyle Maschmeyer, B.Sc.     Programmer and student of linguistics
Sharecom Industries
DeWinton, Alberta
Canada.  Tel (403) 256-4766
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