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Article #2553Thinking during game playing (was Re: language, thought, and culture)
From: Cliff Joslyn
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1988 04:15
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1988 04:15
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[ Do the sci.lang people really want us to go away? We're having so much fun here. . .] In article <152@yendor.UUCP> gmg@yendor.UUCP (Gary Godfrey) writes: >In the past, I've asked several good chess players about how their >thoughts "work" when playing the game. Initially they (the three of >them) all said something to the effect of "the move becomes obvious." >Then, after I pressed them for a while, I manage to get that they will >have thoughts like, "what about *this*" where "*this*" can be n number >of moves in the future. I'm a serious Go player, and at least at my level (mid- to low-level ranked ametuer, 5 kyu) my thinking is explicitly visual. I literally maintain a picture of a small part of the board (with great detail, or a more fuzzy picturre of the whole board) in my mind, and literally put little black and white stones down, and "see" the board in the new configuration. Now when I say "I" do this, it's really just below the level of consciousness. Consciously, I think "well, if I make that decision <stone flops down> then what happens <whole bunch of stones flop down>. No, that's not what I want, let's try it *that* way <bactrack; start over with an initial stone flop>" Literally. I'm seeing all this. There was a stage when I was just getting decent, when I went to bed at night and literally had hypno-gogic (sp? pre-dream state) visions of stones dancing around in semi-real patterns (there are certain shapes in the game that are recurrent). That stopped, eventuallly. I feel that what happened was that I was going through a process of learning to control this new form of representation, of rules, not the literal rules of the game, but the figurative rules of how the stones "behave. O----------------------------------------------------------------------> | Cliff Joslyn, Professional Cybernetician | Systems Science Department, SUNY Binghamton, New York, but my opinions | vu0112@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu V All the world is biscuit shaped. . .
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!utzoo!mnetor!uunet!lll-winken!lll-tis!ames!sunybcs!bingvaxu!vu0112 From: vu0112@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu (Cliff Joslyn) Newsgroups: sci.lang,sci.psychology,rec.games.go Subject: Thinking during game playing (was Re: language, thought, and culture) Message-ID: <960@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu> Date: 18 Mar 88 04:15:52 GMT References: <7714@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> <152@yendor.UUCP> Reply-To: vu0112@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu (Cliff Joslyn) Organization: SUNY Binghamton, NY Lines: 35