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Article #2777Re: Names for colours
From: John Atkinson
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 02:43
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 02:43
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Mark Addinall wrote: > > Ananke wrote: > > > > On Wed, 02 Jan 2002 00:06:44 +0800, Mark Addinall wrote: > > > > > >Water > > > > > >anheme - Eastern Arrente > > >badu - Sydney > > >bawa - Yindjibarndi > > >galiyn - Wir > > > > How is that pronounced? I assume Wir is Wiradjuri? > > Correct. > > GAL-lin-Jhun > > As far as I can tell. I think not. The "yn" is the palatal nasal (like the ny in canyon). It's usually written "ny" in transliterations of Australian languages, but some use the convention of swapping the n and the y when this sound occurs at the end of words, so that monolingual English speakers won't be tempted to pronounce the last part the same as in "felony". Since few non-linguist English speakers can distinguish the palatal nasal at the end of a word, you can probably get away with "gah-leen" I'm not sure about the stress, but most Wiradhuri words have it on the first syllable -- unless the second vowel is long (as it is in bila: = casuarina species -- spelt belah in English) > > > > > >River > > > > > >bila - Wir > > Here the a is short, so it's not homonymous with the tree! This has the variant bilabang, which has of course been borrowed into Australian English as billabong. Around Wellington (NE dialect of Wir), it meant "milky way" (the big river in the sky) John.
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fd648,7fa0d22c4d4d3fc8 X-Google-Attributes: gidfd648,public X-Google-Thread: 10a20a,7fa0d22c4d4d3fc8 X-Google-Attributes: gid10a20a,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-01-03 18:43:46 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.optus.net.au!optus!news.usyd.edu.au!not-for-mail From: John Atkinson <johna@mech.eng.usyd.edu.au> Newsgroups: sci.lang,aus.science Subject: Re: Names for colours Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 13:43:59 +1100 Organization: The University of Sydney, Australia Lines: 47 Message-ID: <3C3516EE.75F4@mech.eng.usyd.edu.au> References: <vn103u8vsqmvkd3fsjf6a2e20f81jrmorg@4ax.com> <XM7Y7.24458$wD1.142034@news-server.bigpond.net.au> <3C31DE94.CA31B3F6@tik.com.au> <geh43us1e6so59arhiui39btv90gggrltf@4ax.com> <3C3344B8.7D87C4A3@tik.com.au> Reply-To: johna@mech.eng.usyd.edu.au NNTP-Posting-Host: jda-pc.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: spacebar.ucc.usyd.edu.au 1010112225 29474 129.78.216.225 (4 Jan 2002 02:43:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.usyd.edu.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jan 2002 02:43:45 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I)