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Article #3046Re: Hungarian proverb
From: Tony
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 00:00
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 00:00
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In <58kuui$23@news.inforamp.net> Peter k Chong <peterk@inforamp.net> writes: [information about Magyar-Indo/European cognates and Hungarian coming from Sumerian] Fascinating theory. I also noticed some of those cognates, such as Hungarian "ki" for "who", "tiz" for "ten", etc. I think some of your examples are very far-fetched, though, such as "sziv" for "suck" and "meleg" for "volcano". I read that there are two or three very small (population) languages extant today which are in the same sub-family of FU as Hungarian: one of them has the name "Chanty", I think. Interesting: it seems to evoke "chant", French for "sing"! This language is supposedly spoken in the far northern tundra of Russia. During my time spent around Hungarians I noticed many cognates. However, like I said, the most striking thing was the regularity and conventionality (to a Westerner schooled in Romance languages) of its grammar. Whatever the origins of the Magyars, they appeared for the first time in central Europe sometime during the early Middle Ages, I think. They were apparently an Asian people who looked more like Central Asian nomadic peoples (the Uzbeks, Mongols, etc.) but after centuries of admixture with Germanic/Slavic peoples, they acquired the physical features of those Europeans, so that now they are indistinguishable from those in surrounding countries who speak IE languages. I would think the same thing happened with the Japanese. Somewhere I read that the Japanese language is thought to be related to the Altaic languages (Turkish). Maybe at some time in the distant past, the whole of North Asia was sparsely settled by these Altaic peoples, and they settled the Japanese islands. Then, over thousands of years of invasions by people from the Asian mainland (Chung Kuo, etc.) they gradually acquired some of the physical features of those peoples. I am by no means an expert on these things (obviously) but your theory of the Hungarians coming from Sumerians is very interesting, could you please explain more of it -- factors which you think make this theory plausible. Thanks! Tony
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: f9946,fc6975b7d6b1d1ac X-Google-Attributes: gidf9946,public X-Google-Thread: 1157df,fc6975b7d6b1d1ac X-Google-Attributes: gid1157df,public X-Google-Thread: 10a20a,9ddbaf475e9e8d77 X-Google-Attributes: gid10a20a,public From: olskool@ix.netcom.com (Tony) Subject: Re: Hungarian proverb Date: 1996/12/11 Message-ID: <58libk$6t9@sjx-ixn8.ix.netcom.com> X-Deja-AN: 203449863 references: <1996Dec8.164703.152791@forest> <58ga9h$i9p@sjx-ixn8.ix.netcom.com> <58kuui$23@news.inforamp.net> organization: Netcom x-netcom-date: Tue Dec 10 9:55:00 PM PST 1996 newsgroups: sci.lang,soc.culture.magyar,bit.listserv.hungary