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Re: Hungarian proverb

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From: Tony
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 00:00
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In <58kuui$23@news.inforamp.net> Peter k Chong <peterk@inforamp.net>
writes: 

[information about Magyar-Indo/European cognates and Hungarian coming
from Sumerian]

Fascinating theory.  I also noticed some of those cognates, such as
Hungarian "ki" for "who", "tiz" for "ten", etc.   I think some of your
examples are very far-fetched, though, such as "sziv" for "suck" and
"meleg" for "volcano".   

I read that there are two or three very small (population) languages
extant today which are in the same sub-family of FU as Hungarian:  one
of them has the name "Chanty", I think.   Interesting:  it seems to
evoke "chant", French for "sing"!    This language is supposedly spoken
in the far northern tundra of Russia.

During my time spent around Hungarians I noticed many cognates.  
However, like I said, the most striking thing was the regularity and
conventionality (to a Westerner schooled in Romance languages) of its
grammar.   

Whatever the origins of the Magyars, they appeared for the first time
in central Europe sometime during the early Middle Ages, I think.  
They were apparently an Asian people who looked more like Central Asian
nomadic peoples (the Uzbeks, Mongols, etc.) but after centuries of
admixture with Germanic/Slavic peoples, they acquired the physical
features of those Europeans, so that now they are indistinguishable
from those in surrounding countries who speak IE languages.  

I would think the same thing happened with the Japanese.   Somewhere I
read that the Japanese language is thought to be related to the Altaic
languages (Turkish).   Maybe at some time in the distant past, the
whole of North Asia was sparsely settled by these Altaic peoples, and
they settled the Japanese islands.   Then, over thousands of years of
invasions by people from the Asian mainland (Chung Kuo, etc.) they
gradually acquired some of the physical features of those peoples.  

I am by no means an expert on these things (obviously) but your theory
of the Hungarians coming from Sumerians is very interesting, could you
please explain more of it -- factors which you think make this theory
plausible.

Thanks!
Tony
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From: olskool@ix.netcom.com (Tony)
Subject: Re: Hungarian proverb
Date: 1996/12/11
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