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Re: Finnish related to Turkish?

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From: Ott K�stner
Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 00:00
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In article <57u1n2$8lp@nyheter.chalmers.se>, peterk@inforamp.net says...

Estonian translation added:

>Some Sumerian morphemes and modern U-A words.
>
>(Source: Cso"ke, S�ndor, "Sum�r-finn-mongol-t�r�k �sszehasonl�t� nyelvtan", 
>Buenos Aires: Magyar O"skutat�s Kiad�sa, 1974. - Sumerian-Finnish-Mongolian-
>Turkish Comparative Grammar)
>
>Sumerian:       bur 411,104 (to drill, to riddle with holes)
>Finnish:        porata (it drills)       
Estonian:	puur (drill)
>Hungarian:      f�r (")
>Turkish:        burgu (drill - noun)
>Kalmuk Mongol:  bur�u (")
>
>Sumerian:       bar 74, 68/302 (family, village)
>Finnish:        perhe (family)
Estonian:	pere (family)
>Hungarian:      v�ros (city)
>Old Turkish:    balIq (")
>Mongol:         balgasun (city, village)
>
>Sumerian:       bur3 411,32 (livestock, four-legged animal, cow)
>Finnish:        poro (reindeer)
Estonian:	p�der (elk but also reindeer = p�hjap�der)
>Hungarian:      borj� (livestock)
>Osmanli Turk:   buza�I (two year-old livestock) 
>Buriat Mongol:  bur� (livestock)
>
>Sumerian:       bad 69,100 (to fall apart, to be fallen)
>Finnish:        potea (it breaks apart)
Estonian:	?
>Hungarian:      sz�tpattan (" - "sz�t-" is a prefix meaning "apart". "pattan"
>                            is the root meaning "break".)
>Turkish:        patlamak (to burst)
>Mongol:         butal- (it falls apart)
>
>Sumerian:       bad 152 8,4 (wall, stuffing)
>Finnish:        pato (stuffing)
Estonian:	pais (stuffing)
>Hungarian:      fal (wall)
>Kyrgyz Turk:    bit� (it closes away - pertaining to arrows?)
>Mongol:         bite� (closed away)
>
>Sumerian:       gab 167,55/57a (to grasp, to get, to catch)
>Finnish:        kaapata (it gets, it catches)
Estonian:	kaaperdada (catch, hijack)
>Hungarian:      kap (")
>Turkish:        kap (pot - recepticle, something that catches)
>Mongol:         qabla- (it catches, it finds)
>
>Sumerian:       ab(-ba) 128,13a (father)
>Finnish:        appi (father-in-law)
Estonian:	app (father-in-law in certain dialect)
>Hungarian:      apa (father)
>Turkish:        aba (")
>Mongol:         aav (")
>
>Sumerian:       s^ub 68,9 (to flatten)
>Finnish:        lappea (page)
Estonian:	lapata (to page)
>Hungarian:      lap (")
>Sakha Turk:     s�bird�x (page, leaf)
>Kalmuk Mongol:  napts^i (leaf)
>
>Sumerian:       gab 167,56 (copy, picture, duplicate)
>Finnish:        kuva (picture)
Estonian:	kuva (picture in dialect)
>Hungarian:      k�p (")
>Turkish:        k�p (")
>Mongol:         keb (example, as in...)
>
>Sumerian:       gib-i/=gig/446,3/4 (be sick, pain, illness)
>Finnish:        kipe� (sick)
Estonian:	kibe (bitter but also hard)
>Hungarian:      meggebed (it is sick - "meg-" is a prefix)
>Turkish:        gebermek (to pass away)
>Manchu:         gebsere- (be sour)
>                 
>Sumerian:       gir11 152,19 (to stretch)
>Finnish:        kire� (tight)
Estonian:	?
>Hungarian:      g�rcs (spasm)
>Turkish:        germek (to tighten)
>Mongol:         kere- (it binds up, it tightens)
>
>Sumerian:       sig 592, 10ff (tight, narrow)
>Finnish:        tiukka (tight)
Estonian:	tihe (tight)
>Hungarian:      szu"k (")
>Turkish:        sIkI (")
>Mongol:         siqam (tight, pressed together)
>
>Sumerian:       gig 456,43 (hatred, to hate)
>Finnish:        kiukka (hatred)
Estonian:	?
>Hungarian:      gyu"l�l (it hates)
>Old Turkish:    k�k (")
>Mongol:         j^igs^i (")
>
>Sumerian:       s^ag5 356,5/7 (be healthy, good, goodness, nice)
>Finnish:        hyv� (good)
Estonian:	h�va (good)
>Hungarian:      j� (")
>Turkish:        sag^ (healthy)
>Bashqort Turk:  hau (")
>Mongol:         sajin (good)
>
>Sumerian:       sig7 351,6 (to live, to sit)
>Finnish:        sija (dwelling, place)
Estonian:	?
>Hungarian:      sz�k (chair)
>Turkish:        sakIn (inhabitant)
>Mongol:         sagu- (it sits, it dwells)
>
>Sumerian:       gis^ 296,10 (man, master, sir, gentleman)
>Finnish:        is�nta (sir, landlord)
Estonian:	isand (sir, master)
>Hungarian:      gazda (landowner?)
>Old Turkish:    iy� (gentleman)
>Mongol:         ej^en (sir, ruler)
>
>Sumerian:       gal2 80,3 (to be)
>Finnish:        olla (to be)
Estonian:	olla (to be)
>Hungarian:      val- (it is - old form)
>Turkish:        ol- (it is, it will be, it happens)
>Mongol:         bol- (it is, it will be, possible)
>
>Sumerian:       gur4 483,23 (to run, to flee)
>Finnish:        kiire (rushing, hurrying)
Estonian:	kiire (fast, hurry)
>Hungarian:      gyors (quick)
>Turkish:        kuriye (fast movement?)
>Mongol:         qurdun (fast)
>
>Sumerian:       zag 332,43 (flatland, field)
>Finnish:        s�vel (flat)
Estonian:	?
>Hungarian:      s�ks�g (plateau)
>Turkish:        sahra- (steppe, land, plateau)
>
>Sumerian:       dug3 396,10/11 (good, healthy, optimal)
>Finnish:        t�ysi (full, perfect)
Estonian:	t�is (full)
>Hungarian:      t�k�letes (complete, perfect)
>Turkish:        tekmil (completion)
>Mongol:         t�g�s (")
>
>Sumerian:       dah 169,3/10 (one follows, by someone)
>Finnish:        l�het� (it follows, it comes together)
Estonian:	?
>Hungarian:      t�rs (member, partner)
>Sakha Turk:     do�or (")
>Mongol:         daga- (it follows, it goes together)
>
>Sumerian:       kud 12,19 (city, hamlet)
>Finnish:        kotia (hut)
Estonian:	kodu (home)
>Hungarian:      kunyh� (")
>Old Turkish:    qadas^ (relative, relation, troop, brother)
>Mongol:         quda (relation, troop)
>
>Sumerian:       kad4 (to bind)
>Finnish:        kytke� (it binds up, it weaves)
Estonian:	k�tkestama (to bind, facinate)
>Hungarian:      k�tni (to bind)
>Turkish:        kat- (weave)
>Mongol:         qadamar (strenghtened)
>
>Sumerian:       bad3 152^8,7 (deathly ill, sickly)
>Finnish:        potea (become sick)
Estonian:	p�dema (to be sick)
>Hungarian:      beteg (sick)
>Old Turkish:    bed- (it weakens)
>Mongol:         betege ("dagantot okoz� betegs�g" - My Hungarian isn't very 
>                         good but I know it has something to do with illness)
>
>Sumerian:       pa 295,11 (summit, peak)
>Finnish:        p�� (head)
Estonian:	pea (head), p�� (head in southern dialects)
>Hungarian:      fej (")
>Turkish:        bas, (")
>Ancient Mongol: pekin (")
>
>Sumerian:       bu 371,25 (to blow)
>Finnish:        puhaltaa (it blows)
Estonian:	puhuda (to blow)
>Hungarian:      f�j (")
>Turkish:        p�fle- (")
>Ancient Mongol: p�lig� (")
>
>Sumerian:       zub 60^x,4 (to flow, rain)
>Finnish:        tippua (it drops)
Estonian:	tilkuma (to drop)
>Hungarian:      csepeg (")
>Uigur Turk:     c^ip-c^ip (onomatopaeia of dripping water - "drip-drip")
>Mongol:         sibeni- (it drops, it flows)
>
>Sumerian:       ki 461,21 (who)
>Finnish:        kuka (")
Estonian:	kes (who)
>Hungarian:      ki (")
>Turkish:        ki (")
>Mongol:         khen (")
>
>Sumerian:       kur2 60,34 (circle)
>Finnish:        keri (")
Estonian:	keha (body, circle in dialect)
>Hungarian:      k�r (")
>Turkish:        k�resel (spherical)
>Mongol:         k�rd� (circle)
>
>Sumerian:       kas^ 211a,2 (urine)
>Finnish:        kusi (")
Estonian:	kusi (urine)
>Hungarian:      h�gy (")
>Turkish:        huysuzluk (bile)
>Old Turkish:    qas^an- (be urinating)
>
>Sumerian:       kud 536,4 (to throw, to place, to allow)
>Finnish:        kadota (it loses)
Estonian:	kaduma (")
>Hungarian:      hagy (it allows)
>Turkish:        koy- (")
>Mongol:         qoj^im (afterwards, later)
>
>Sumerian:       s^ita 233,15/442,2 (to bind)
>Finnish:        sitoa (it binds, it weaves, it strenghtens)
Estonian:	siduma (to bind)
>Hungarian:      csatol (it weaves - a net)
>Turkish:        ciltlemek (to bind)
>Kalmuk Mongol:  s^itm (fencing)
>
>Sumerian:       has^ 12,78 (be bending)
>Finnish:        kallistaa (it bends)
Estonian:	?
>Hungarian:      hajlik (")
>Turkish:        kayma� (slant-eyed)
>Mongol:         qaj^iji- (it bends, it curves)
>
>Sumerian:       hir 401,9 (picture)
>Finnish:        kirja (book)
Estonian:	kiri (writing, letter)
>Hungarian:      h�r (news - ?)
>Turkish:        kertik (notch, gash, score)
>Mongol:         kerc^i (")
>
>Sumerian:       has^ 12,70/73 (to cut, to split)
>Finnish:        halkoa (it cuts)
Estonian:	halg (stick of firewood)
>Hungarian:      has�t (")
>Turkish:        kesmek (to cut)
>Mongol:         qasu- (it shortens sg, it cuts sg)
>
>Sumerian:       uh 398,6/17 (to spew, to vomit)
>Finnish:        oksentaa (it vomits)
Estonian:	oksendama (to vomit)
>Hungarian:      ok�dik (")
>Turkish:        �ks�rmek (to cough)
>Mongol:         oki- (it vomits)
>
>Sumerian:       sil(a) 12,117 (to split, to cut up)
>Finnish:        s�le (splinter)
Estonian:	?
>Hungarian:      szelet (slice - noun)
>Teleut Turk:    s^IlI (it cuts)
>Mongol:         silu- (")
>
>Sumerian:       sig 592,10/19 (small, little)
>Finnish:        hiukan (a little bit)
>Hungarian:      csek�ly (insignificant)
>Turkish:        -�ak (diminutive suffix)
>Mongol:         c^�gen (a few, not much)
>
>Sumerian:       sag2 295,100a (to strike, to hit)
>Finnish:        haava (wound, injury)
Estonian:	haav (wound)
>Hungarian:      seb (")
>Turkish:        �arpmak (to strike)
>Mongol:         s^abda- (it wounds sg/sb,)
>
>Sumerian:       hus 565,58 (to drive)
>Finnish:        kuski (driver)
>Hungarian:      kocsis (driver)
>                kocsi (coach - The word "coach" is derived from the Hungarian
>                       but the Hungarian word comes from the Sumerian "hus")
>Osmanli Turk:   qos^u (wagon, coach)
>Kalmuk Mongol:  xos^ (")
>Old Japanese:   kachi (a type of vehicle for nobles)
>
>Sumerian:       s^ag 384,118/9 (to sigh, a sigh)
>Lappish:        s^uokket (a sigh)
>Hungarian:      s�hajtozik (it sighs)
>Teleut Turk:    s�zI- (")
>Mongol:         sugsi- (")
>
>Sumerian:       s^ag 384,2 (word)
>Finnish:        s�vel (sound, song)
>Hungarian:      sz� (word)
>Turkish:        s�v (")
>Mongol:         jabsi- (it talks a lot)
>
>Sumerian:       s^e 367,58d (to eat)
>Finnish:        sy�d� (it eats)
Estonian:	s��ma (to eat)
>Hungarian:      eszik (")
>Turkish:        yemek (to eat)
>Mongol:         j^eme (wolf food)
>
>Sumerian:       s^ug 367,11/2 (big, be big, much)
>Finnish:        luku (lots)
>Hungarian:      sok (")
>Turkish:        �ok (")
>Mongol:         �u�la- (it enlarges sg, it increases sg)
>
>Sumerian:       s^eg8 551,4 (frost, ice, cold)
>Finnish:        j�� (ice)
Estonian:	j�� (ice)
>Hungarian:      j�g (")
>Turkish:        sog^ut (cold)
>Mongol:         tsang (frost)
>
>Sumerian:       us^ 4 536,26 (mind, intellect)
>Finnish:        huja (mind)
>Hungarian:      �sz (")
>Turkish:        us (intelligence)
>Mongol:         ojun (")
>
>Sumerian:       as^ 2 339,8 (to long for, to want)
>Finnish:        isota (want)
>Hungarian:      �hes (hungry)
>Turkish:        istemek (to want, to desire)
>
>Sumerian:       gis^ 296,16 (hand)
>Finnish:        k�si (")
Estonian:	k�si (hand)
>Hungarian:      k�z (")
>Turkish:        kuuvet (strength, power)
>Mongol:         gesig�n (member, branch)
>
>Sumerian:       zal 231,16 (also: sal, s^al) (to see) 
>Finnish:        silm� (eye)
Estonian:	silm (eye)
>Hungarian:      szem (")
>Mongol:         silibki- (it looks at sg)
>
>Sumerian:       zal(ag) 393,5 (be lighted, star, to shine)
>Finnish:        ts'ilkett� (it shines, it lights up sg)
>(dialect)
>Hungarian:      csillag (star)
>Kyrgyz Turk:    s^olpan (Morning Star, Venus)
>Mongol:         j^il�ir- (it shines)
>
>Sumerian:       zir 84,108 (suffering, hurt)
>Finnish:        s�rke� (be in pain)
>Hungarian:      s�r (grave; be crying)
>Turkish:        sIzI (ache, pain)
>Khalkha Mongol: s^arx (wound)
>
>Sumerian:       izi 172,11/17/13 (fire, oven, ash, to flame up)
>Komi (Finnic):  ezj- (it burns)
>Hungarian:      izzad (it sweats)
>Kyrgyz Turk:    issyk (warm - there is a lake called the Issyk-Kul - "warm
>                       lake" in Kyrgyzstan)
>Mongol:         isu (ash)
>
>Sumerian:       izi 172.159 (sour)
>Finnish:        etikka (")
Estonian:	��dikas (")
>Hungarian:      ecet (")
>Turkish:        eks,i (")
>Mongol:         es�- (it becomes sour)
>
>Sumerian:       zig 84,45 (to raise oneself, to get oneself up)
>Finnish:        l�hte� (it goes away, it starts off, it escapes)
Estonian:	l�heb ((he) goes)
>Hungarian:      sz�kik (it escapes)
>Turkish:        �Ikmak (to go out, to move out, to graduate)
>Mongol:         segelj^e (go in a jumping manner)
>
>Sumerian:       ri 86,41,74 (to fly)
>Finnish:        r�pytt�� (it flies)
>Hungarian:      rep�l- (")
>Kyrgyz Turk:    erb�ng (unsupportable, cannot stand up)
>Mongol:         erbeji- (it flies)
>
>Sumerian:       sir3 152,3 (also: sur, s^ar) (to sing, song, to compose music)
>Finnish:        sirist�� (it chirps)
>Hungarian:      csiripel (")
>Turkish:        s,arkI (song)
>Mongol:         j^irgi (sing a song, chirp)
>
>Sumerian:       er 50,7 (also: ir, ur) (man, manly)
>Finnish:        yrk� (husband)
>Hungarian:      �r (sir, Mr.)
>Turkish:        er (man, male)
>Mongol:         ere (husband)
>
>Sumerian:       bar 74,100 (to frighten oneself, to scare)
>Finnish:        pel�t� (it fears)
>Hungarian:      f�l (")
>Turkish:        perva (")
>Ancient Mongol: p�rk� (")
>
>Sumerian:       ur2 203,7 (underground, ground)
>Finnish:        ala- (lower part)
Estonian:	alam- (")
>Hungarian:      alatt (under)
>Turkish:        alt (bottom)
>Mongol:         ala (genitals)
>
>Sumerian:       ma 342,98b/10 (also: ma-da) (land, earth, homeland)
>Finnish:        maa (land, country)
Estonian:	maa (")
>Hungarian:      megye (county, administrative district)
>Uigur Turk:     budun (folk, people)
>Mongol:         aymag (county, administrative district)
>
>Maybe the name MAGYAR ("Hungarian" in the Hungarian language) came from MA or
>MA-DA...
>
>Sumerian:       ma 233,2 (to go)
>Finnish:        menn� (it goes)
Estonian:	minna (to go)
>Hungarian:      megy (")
>Old Turkish:    man- (")
>
>Sumerian:       ma3 233,3a (I)
>Finnish:        min� (I)
>Hungarian:      -m (verbal suffix for 1st person ex. esz-ik = it eats, esz-
>                em = I eat)
>Turkish:        ben (I)
>Mongol:         minu (mine)
>
>Sumerian:       eme 237,2 (also: ama) (mother)
>Finnish:        em� (mother, woman, madam, she-)
>Hungarian:      anya (mother), emlo" (breast)
>Turkish:        ana (mother) emcik (nipple) emmek (to suck)
>Mongol:         eme (mother)
>
>Sumerian:       gam 362,6 (it bends over)
>Finnish:        kumar- (it bends)
Estonian:	kumer (convex)
>Hungarian:      kamp� (hook)
>Turkish:        kemer (arch, vault)
>Mongol:         qamar (nose - a "bent" facial feature)
>
>Sumerian:       na 97,4 (be named, call)
>Finnish:        nimi (name)
Estonian:	nimi (name)
>Hungarian:      n�v (")
>Turkish:        nam (")
>Mongol:         ner (")
>
>Finnish:        omen (apple)
Estonian:	�un (apple)
>Hungarian:      alma (")
>Turkish:        elma (")
>Mongol:         alim (")
>
>Sumerian:       du3 230,19 (known, experienced, knowledge)
>Finnish:        tunte- (it knows, it meets)
>Hungarian:      tud- (it knows), tanul- (it studies) 
>Turkish:        tanImak (to know)
>Mongol:         todad- (it enlightens sg, it explains sg)
>
>---------------------------------17164731315494--

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Subject: Re: Finnish related to Turkish?
Date: 1996/12/05
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