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Article #3076Re: linguistic dogma
From: Gwyn Williams
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 1994 08:04
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 1994 08:04
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James Walker (walkerj@torolab4.vnet.ibm.com) wrote:
> William Labov's new book ("Principles of Linguistic Change, Vol. 1")
> contains an interesting and very a propos anecdote by David de Camp
> (pp.369-70). [...] his data suggested
> that speakers produced a distinction that they couldn't perceive, which
> went against his supervisor's basic assumptions about the symmetry of
> production and perception. He only managed to get it passed by hedging
> the controversial point and toning it down with disclaimers.
Is this perception>production really that cast in stone? I can get my
Thai students in English Phonetics and Phonology producing /ch/ /sh/
beautifully, but am damned if I can get them to hear the difference ....
gwyn williams bangkok <gwyn@ipied.tu.ac.th>
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