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Article #3106Re: linguistic dogma
From: Miguel Carrasquer
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 1994 15:53
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 1994 15:53
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In article <300ts4$77t@csi0.csi.uottawa.ca>, Mark Israel <misrael@csi.uottawa.ca> wrote: >In article <aldersonCssywn.Gsq@netcom.com>, Richard M. Alderson III <alderson@netcom.com> writes: >> >> Each language in the family contributes to the reconstruction, >> ideally with the same weight though this has not always been >> entirely true in the past. > Within the context of Indo-European historical linguistics, I'd consider this a fairly direct allusion to Sanskrit (maybe Greek and Latin too). > Why "ideally with the same weight"? I can immediately think >of three reasons why equal weighting would not be ideal. > >(1) Our earliest records of the various languages are not >contemporaneous. Since we have Latin, we can give zero weight >to French and Italian. Since we don't have a 2000-year-old >ancestor of Lithuanian, we have to use modern Lithuanian, but >we should give it a lesser weight than Latin, since it makes >sense that older languages would be tend to be closer to the >original. True, although I would give a little more than zero weight to Romance. >(2) We know that geographical displacement correlates negatively >with language change: U.S. English and Quebec French are more >archaic than British English and French French. Hence we should >give greater weight to languages whose speakers must have migrated. I doubt that is a "constant". It's true that U.S. English is more archaic in some respects. In others, it is clearly not. South African Dutch (Afrikaans) has retained some archaic words, but in grammar (inflection), Dutch Dutch is far more 'archaic'. Furthermore, this argument leads to circularity in matters such as the "Indo-European homeland". It's usually safer not to assume too much about "who must have migrated". >(3) Some changes are intrinsically more likely to have gone in >one direction than in the other (or don't you believe this)? We >should give greater weight to languages with forms that are >intrinsically likely to be earlier. Yes, some changes have that property. Unfortunately, most do not. I'm afraid I don't understand the phrase "languages with forms ... likely to be earlier". This generalization from individual forms to languages does not apply. If you compare any two (related) languages, you'll find forms intrinsically likely to be earlier in *both* languages. The best you can do is find a greater proportion of them in one of the two. If that's what you meant, you have a point. -- Miguel Carrasquer ____________________ ~~~ Amsterdam [ ||]~ mcv@inter.NL.net ce .sig n'est pas une .cig
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 10b097,826aa1babacf3c92 X-Google-Attributes: gid10b097,public X-Google-Thread: 10a20a,826aa1babacf3c92 X-Google-Attributes: gid10a20a,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1994-07-13 09:43:18 PST Newsgroups: sci.lang,bit.listserv.words-l Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!bga.com!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!yeshua.marcam.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!mcv From: mcv@inter.NL.net (Miguel Carrasquer) Subject: Re: linguistic dogma Message-ID: <Csvytu.FC9@inter.NL.net> Organization: NLnet References: <2vno1s$eg4@csi0.csi.uottawa.ca> <aldersonCssywn.Gsq@netcom.com> <300ts4$77t@csi0.csi.uottawa.ca> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 1994 15:53:52 GMT Lines: 58