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Article #3271Re: Please learn English better
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Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 00:00
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 00:00
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IMO you are "talking past each other" to some extent. My experience is that there are a number of reasons why USers do not learn other languages. Arrogance is certainly one of them, but simple ignorance is another: a surprising number of USers really do believe that "everyone speaks English". In some cases this is based on experience; as you point out, there are a significant number of people around the world who speak very good English indeed, for various reasons - because they want to sell things to USers or UKers, because they want to get ahead in business (when a Swedish businessman meets with his Japanese counterpart, they will most likely use English), or simply because they want to be hospitable to English-speakers. It's frequently the case, also, that a USer, wishing to practice his or her beginner's knowledge of the local language, is frustrated by the desire of the locals to practice their English... and in Europe, one also runs up against the fact that an "average" education may be better than an "average" education in the U.S.: the level of competence expected from someone who has studied a language for 3 years is higher in other countries than it is here. This obscures the fact that many many people do NOT speak English, or speak it at a very basic level. I have learned this the hard way, even in places like Denmark, where many people have an excellent command of English. I don't see any contradiction between a recognition of the fact that English is by far the most widespread modern "lingua franca", on the one hand, and a recognition that it (1) has its limitations and (2) is not the only useful language, on the other hand. Personally I have found German, French, spanish, and Esperanto often useful and sometimes indispensible. Also, I very much recommend Rick Steves' advice in the chapter "hurdling the Language Barrier" in his book Europe Through the Back Door" (which must be up to about the 12th Edition by now). The one thing I _like_ to do but haven't yet, is to learn a basic set of Chinese written characters, as James Fallows of the Atlantic magazine once suggested. This would be quite useful in Korea, Japan, China, and Southeast Asia (actually I sometimes wonder if Cantonese isn't almost as widely distributed as English, in re spoken languages... I have found Chinese restaurants in the most _unlikely_ places). George Partlow.......Delegito de UEA en la alaska regurbo, Juneau (Usono) retposxto cxe: <71064.332@compuserve.com>...Pensu terglobe, agu surloke! Ekzistas nur 2 klasoj de homoj: tiuj kiuj opinias, ke ekzistas nur 2 klasoj de homoj, kaj tiuj kiuj malsamopinias... (Clifford Partlow, 1966)
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 11578d,ac66bd48e2177eda X-Google-Attributes: gid11578d,public X-Google-Thread: 1058af,ac66bd48e2177eda X-Google-Attributes: gid1058af,public X-Google-Thread: 10a20a,ac66bd48e2177eda X-Google-Attributes: gid10a20a,public X-Google-Thread: fa448,ac66bd48e2177eda X-Google-Attributes: gidfa448,public X-Google-Thread: 102cce,ac66bd48e2177eda X-Google-Attributes: gid102cce,public X-Google-Thread: 102dad,ac66bd48e2177eda X-Google-Attributes: gid102dad,public From: 71064.332@compuserve.com Subject: Re: Please learn English better Date: 1997/01/06 Message-ID: <5as94a$fp5@news.alaska.edu> X-Deja-AN: 208194375 references: <4el8tf$a3v@chleuasme.francenet.fr> <58pruc$st7@cc.tut.fi> <32B0C013.41C6@cranfield.ac.uk> <32B883F3.167E@cranfield.ac.uk> <elnaE2n0ro.8so@netcom.com> <32B96E36.24D@lonnds.ml.com> <32bb471d.41810296@news.cris.com> <32c6f23d.72669436@news.cris.com> <32CE3FF7.680E@flash.net> organization: University of Alaska Computer Network newsgroups: sci.lang,alt.uu.lang.misc,eunet.politics,soc.culture.europe,alt.politics.europe.misc,talk.politics.european-union