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Article #3349Re: English in France
From: rafael
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 00:00
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 00:00
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sdelsol@netcom.com (Shannon Adamson) wrote: > >Raphael, >Please, sir, lighten up and follow your own advice. Nous nous >comprenons. Your example of not understanding a culture simply by >learning the language is entirely true. This is demonstrated by your >reaction to my comment about "beauty in your day". You only assume >you understand what I meant based on the words I chose. There are no >facial expressions, defined cultural understandings or any other aides >attached to those black and white words. You know not of where I am >from, or my cultural background, yet you feel the freedom to chastise >me publicly about the very thing you yourself are guilty of. How >could you think I implied that the nuances of an entire culture could >be understood through words? There is no one language that can >encompass every culture of the world. Yes, English is very practical >and may well be the most effecient choice for an International >language - a common denominator for BUSINESS, not full cultural >understanding. As far as my learning social nuances for gaining >insights about another country, you have no idea to what extent I >have gone to do so. More than you obviously have based on your well >chosen, oh so "English" words. For the record, I am neither naive or >"schmatzy", and you obviously could use a little more beauty in YOUR >day. Thank you for bringing such clarity and cultural understanding >to the Internet with your wise opinions. Je ne peux vous en dire. >Shannon Thank you Shannon, for your pearls of wisdom. How gratifying it is to see Europeans of different backgrounds agreeing on a crucial point of learning. I have always found it hard to understand why foreign language courses fail to teach the learner the humour of the language in question. I admit that in learning German this may be hard, and obviously in France personal criticism (whether public or not), is obviously difficult to tolerate, as your mail has made clear. If you wish to naively limit the scope of English to that of a purely business function then be my guest. But in your heart you know that it is not. The language of International music, International journalism, and indeed Film is English (or perhaps in the case of the latter-Hindi). If you view these spheres as commercial interest then that would validate your argument. However is music, writing, & film not art? Is it not culturally validated by its content, that transcends boundaries and borders? The reason that English has been so readily adopted by the world is that so many different countries and cultures have had a part in developing it, whether in Africa, or India, the Far East or America. Its strength is its versatility in clearly expressing ideas and beliefs without the need for viewing `facial expressions', as you so obviously need to do, an example perhaps of limited vocabulary? English is spoken from the gutters of Calcutta and Madras, to the commercial towers of Singapore and factories of Great Britain. All have contributed to developing the language, all are culturally diverse. Yet by sharing the development of this language, they have shared in a in a sense of identity, of shared culture; something other languages have never managed to achieve to the same degree as has been achieved in English. I am now certain that you are neither naive, nor schmaltzy, but you are perhaps misguided. As to whether I could use a "little more beauty" in my day, I thank you but no. I am far too happy enjoying the temper tantrum of a rather confused European. However, I do most humbly thank you for agreeing with my opinion. Rafael. `Je ne regrette rien' >
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