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Article #338Re: Gender neutral pronouns
From: David Ben_Ami
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1992 07:01
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1992 07:01
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In article <1992Aug5.194441.6056@alf.uib.no> hlirg@alf.uib.no (Roger Greenwald) writes: >In article <1992Aug5.103147.20713@discus.technion.ac.il> davidba@carmel.technion.ac.il (David Ben_Ami) writes: >> >>Hebrew is even worse than English in this respect, we differ by gender >>also in the first and second person. (There is no gender-specific first >>person pronoun but there is seperate conjugations). > >Please tell us why you think it is so terrible that FIRST person >should have a gender marking? I would assume that in 99.99% of >cases, the SPEAKER is in fact either a male or a female. >And in 99.99% of cases, in person or on the phone, the person >spoking to will know whether the speaker is a male or a female. >In most cases of writing where the author's name is attached, >this will also be the case. Someone who wished for some reason >to hide gender behind initials or a pseudonym or whatever >can also, of course, change the gender marking in the text. > >Or do you perhaps think it is terrible that everyone IS >a male or a female? >-- >Roger Greenwald >Greenwald@hf.uib.no (address valid only until 10 August 1992) Oh, I find nothing terrible in this fact at all (both the use of first person marking for gender and in being male or female). I used the word "worse" only in the vein of the posting that I answered there the poster protested (as I understood it) that there isn't a neutral 3rd person gender in English - I merely added that in this scale Hebrew is worse. I think it's indeed more logical to mark gender in cases of human beings in order to facilitate understanding and communication. Actually when I studied English I had difficulties in figuring out gender from the context (until I got used to it). Hope this clears the issue, David. -- ============================================================================= David Ben-Ami (irc: bigdav) | "I can resist anything but Temptation" s2780369@Techst02.Technion.Ac.Il | Oscar Wilde davidba@Carmel.Technion.Ac.Il davidba@Moav.Techniona.Ac.Il
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!mips!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!rpi!bu.edu!wang!news From: davidba@carmel.technion.ac.il (David Ben_Ami) Newsgroups: sci.lang Subject: Re: Gender neutral pronouns Message-ID: <1992Aug9.070118.6080@discus.technion.ac.il> Date: 9 Aug 92 07:01:18 GMT References: <2A7EFE7D.18189@noiro.acs.uci.edu> <1992Aug5.103147.20713@discus.technion.ac.il> <1992Aug5.194441.6056@alf.uib.no> Sender: news@wang.com Organization: Technion, Israel Inst. of Technology Lines: 41