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Re: Proof that 'Shakespeare' was Edward de Vere, Earl of Oxford

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From: bobgrumman
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 11:14
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On Mar 25, 1:23 pm, Paul Crowley <dsfdsfd...@sdfsfsfs.com> wrote:
> Peter Farey wrote:
>
> > <c.le...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> 2. Ben Jonson's inscription on the Stratford Monument contains
> >> a cryptogram in the form of a Cardano Grille revealing de Vere
> >> as the author of the works ascribed to William Shakespeare.
> >> <http://www.dlroper.shakespearians.com/Cryptology%2021.10.htm>
> >> This solution shown by Roper is unique and meets the requirements
> >> of a valid Shakespearean cipher set forth by the Friedmans in the
> >> 1950s, as Roper discusses.
>
> >> C. Leroy Ellenberger
> >> St. Louis, Missouri
>
> > As I have just asked in another forum: "Who in their right
> > mind would *start off* with a message "SO TEST HIM: I
> > VOW HE IS E DE VERE AS HE SHAKSPEARE; ME,
> > B.I.", and *still* fail to encrypt it without cheating?
>
> You're right, of course.  You might have come
> across the website of a near-identical foolhttp://www2.prestel.co.uk/rey/epitaph.htm
> who maintains that you can "find" -- with odds
> against of 20 million to one -- the name of
> Christopher Marlowe in the inscription of the
> Shakespeare monument.
>
> My sentiments about it are exactly as you
> express.  No one who was going to encrypt
> a secret message (especially one of this
> significance) would contrive so crude, so
> inelegant and so obscure "a result".
>
> "Stay, traveller, why go by so fast?
> Work out, if you can, whom envious Death has placed
> with, in this monument, Shakespeare - with whom
> living capacity died.
> 'Christofer Marley'.
> He is returned, nevertheless. That he did the writing
> leaves Art alive, without a 'page' to dish up his wit."
>
and how can "quick Nature" mean "living capacity?"  And how
did Marley lose his "living capacity," if he were still alive.
According
to the Marlovian delusion, he would only have lost one aspect
of his living capacity, assuming acting as a front could be considered
part of Marley's "living capacity."

And why insert so stupid a fake word as "sieh" to make a point
that makes no sense?  He is returned from where to where?  If
returned as a writer, how?  What new Shakespearean works
came out "nevertheless?"

And the writing is alive whether Marley was responsible for it or not.
And how is Marlowe in the monument withe Shakespeare?  His name,
according the the mad decipherer, is on the monument with
Shakespeare's but not in it, nor is he--or, for that matter,
Shakespeare.
Nor is he is Shakespeare's grave with him.

I can't believe anyone but Peter and a few other fanatical Marlovians
accept his reading as valid.

--Bob G.
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Subject: Re: Proof that 'Shakespeare' was Edward de Vere, Earl of Oxford
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