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On Mar 25, 8:58 am, Franz Gnaedinger <f...@bluemail.ch> wrote:
> On Mar 25, 2:14 am, c.le...@rocketmail.com wrote:
>
> > Taking the subject heading for this thread at face value, be
> > advised that David Roper, author of Proving Shakespeare: In
> > Ben Jonson's Own Words (2008), presents several proofs
> > that Edward de Vere wrote the sonnets and plays attributed
> > to William Shakespeare. Two of these proofs from the book
> > are available in revised form on the WWW:
>
> > 1. Henry Peacham's Chronogram: The Dating of Shakespeare's
> > Titus Andronicus:
> > <http://www.dlroper.shakespearians.com/henry_peacham.htm>
> > wherein it is shown that the play was first written in 1574, the
> > year before de Vere went to Italy, when the Stratford fellow was
> > only eleven years old or so.
>
> Thank you for this information. I read the page and fully agree.
> The earliest version of scenes in Titus Andronicus may go back
> to 1575, but then the play was revised, especially between 1586
> and 1588, when the extant version was written, up to then political
> situation: 500 years of the Domesday Book or Doomsday Book
> from 1086, de Vere in dire need of money, Queen Elizabeth
> granting the annuity of one thousand pounds, Anne Cecile dying,
> and 1588, Spanish Armada warded off. De Vere could easily
> have adapted his play to the situation. Kaiser Karl V's Reich
> breaking up, Spanish hegemony broken, English empire rising.
> I guess you saw my interpretation of Titus Andronicus as
> political allegory here in this thread, to be retrieved via the
> Google interface to sci.lang.

Quoting my yesterday interpretation of the name
and title Titus Andronicus from a side thread:

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My claim: the play Titus Andronicus is a political
allegory, so the title must also hold meaning.
The name could well combine the historian
Titus Livius and the dramatist Livius Andronicus

   Titus Livius + Livius Andronicus

   Titus Livius Andronicus

   Titus Andronicus

referring to the playwright as historiographer and
poet. Among the fragments of Livius Andronicus
I found this one that could serve as motto of the play
Titus Andronicus

  SED QVI SVNT QVI ASCENDVNT ALTVM OCRIM ?

  sed qui sunt qui ascendunt altum ocrim?

But who are those who climb the high rock, also the
platform of Neptun's temple? In the play Titus Andronicus
we have the question of who will ascend to power

   Titus Andronicus --- Henry VIII as military leader
   Bassianus --- Henry VIII as humanist
   Saturninus --- Henry VIII as king

Titus Andronicus was elected king, but gives the crown
over to Saturninus, who is then killed by Lucius who will
take on the power. Lucius, a son of Titus Andronicus,
symbolizes Queen Elizabeth, her stabbing Saturninus
means that she abandons the practices of her father
Henry VIII and begins a new politic on which the rising
empire can be built upon, and her bard is Young Lucius,
alter ego of Edward de Vere, who tells about the dramatic
events that mark the begin of the new empire, namely
the breaking up of Karl's Reich, and the breaking up of
the Spanish hegemony, as explained in my interpretation
of the play Titus Andronicus. Now the full name of the
ancient dramatist was Lucius Livius Andronicus, the male
given name Lucius appearing in the bard's play, serving
both as alter ego of Queen Elizabeth and of his alter ego,
Young Lucius ... Sed qui sunt qui ascendunt altum ocrim?
Queen Elizabeth and her bard Edward de Vere.

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