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On Mar 12, 9:46 pm, elizabeth <messageform...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Elizabeth, are you the Elizabeth Im... who replied
to me from the orthodox heretic stronghold?
You know, the Stratfordians are orthodox orthodox,
the Oxfordians are orthodox heretic, and I am
heretic heretic. I will find out when I read your lines.

> Where are Oxford's annotated books with lines
> marked for the plays?

Now, you are from the orthodox orthodox bulwark.
All those papers are lost. The publishers of his work
say that his manuscripts had almost no blotted lines.
Now imagine William Shakespeare writing the plays,
Master William who could not even master to spell
his own name and was hardly able to scribble it with
a most unexperienced claw?

> Where are Oxford's play manuscripts?

Lost.

> Where is Oxford's Fair Youth?
>
> It can't be Southampton, he was walking a hugely
> pregnant Elizabeth Vernon up the aisle when
> the Sonnets began to be written.
>
> Why would Oxford beg him to marry if he was
> already married?
>
> When the Sonnets were published Southampton
> had four children with another one on the way,
> he was balding, he was never pretty to begin with,
> and he can't be Oxford's son because he was of
> normal height.
>
> On the other hand he was crazy, he provoked
> Essex to do treason, in fact Bacon actually saved
> Southampton's life with an eloquent plea to the Queen
> that Cecil noted in his diary was "like none other he'd
> ever heard" ("the quality of mercy is not strained?").
>
> Interestingly, Bacon's mother did a Portia to
> Mary Tudor thus saving the Protestant "heretic"
> William Cecil from being burned at the stake
> with two-hundred and ninety-nine other
> Protestants.
>
> Like mother, like son.
>
> Everybody, including The Poet, was begging
> William Herbert to marry but he resisted for
> many years, only to marry a dwarf with a fortune,
> Mary Talbot.  Sadly, dwarves have a short life
> span, I think she only lived another six or eight
> years.  She may, in fact, been happy with Herbert
> because he was notoriously witty in a school yard
> sort of way.
>
> He was never mean, always generous and
> everyone, especially women, loved him.
>
> Jonson and Herbert were best friends, despite
> their great distance in rank, they could pun a
> bawdy pun into the ground, I guess it was
> one of those cases where maidens should
> plug their ears.
>
> And Southampton was hardly "fair."  He wasn't
> a beauty but William Herbert was gorgeous, he
> had the beautiful Sidney-Dudley coloring. And
> pheromones?  Women literally could not leave
> him alone.
>
> The Poet is begging Herbert to leave his
> rooms at Court (he was a rabid Calvinist, at
> age seventeen (my, there's a clue)  he spent the
> first year at Court, locked up in his apartment,
> writing religious poetry, the reason his mother
> appealed to her (probably too close) cousin to
> write Sonnets to dislodge young Herbert from
> his quarters.
>
> It may have worked too well as Herbert immediately
> assumed a very close relationship with his (too close)
> cousin Lady Mary Wroth, an exquisite beauty ashamed
> of her black hair (blond was in).  Mary was the daughter
> of Sir Robert Sidney, her famous full-length portrait
> of Mary with Lute still hangs at Penshurst where she
> was born.  The pale copies online don't do Mary's
> astonishing beauty justice.
>
> I can't think of the name of the author who wrote
> the book entitled "The Sidney Family Romance" but
> if lovers were listed on genealogical charts,
> you would find many of the Sidney-Dudley's close cousins,
> in terms of genetics, dangerously close.  Some of the
> cousins were genetically as close as sibs because of
> the doubling up of genes.
>
> The Sidney-Dudley-Herberts must have been healthy
> because Hebert and Lady Mary Wroth produced too
> fine children, a boy and a girl, both married very well.
>
> So "Shakespeare" may have left some descendants
> after all.

I don't know much about the life of de Vere, and almost
nothing about the life of William Shakespeare, leaving
these topics to the orthodox orthodoxians (you among
them) and the orthodox heretics (the other Elizabeth
who wrote me yesterday) and going on in my heretic
heretic way of reading, really reading the plays and
poems. With your above questions you may want
to have a look at Kurt Kreiler's book an English version
of witch is promised for this summer.