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Re: Proof that 'Shakespeare' was Edward de Vere, Earl of Oxford

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From: Peter Groves
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 22:57
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On Mar 5, 8:37 pm, Franz Gnaedinger <f...@bluemail.ch> wrote:
> On Mar 5, 9:54 am, Peter Groves <metrical...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > This is imbecilic. You are confusing letters and sounds in a manner
> > that would disgrace a schoolboy.
>
> > That is, you are not merely ignorantly opinionated, but ineducable to
> > boot.  Makes sense you'd be an Oxfordian.
>
> 'Letter' also meant phoneme until the end of the 19th
> century. The Roman letters were conceived as phonemes.
> And as for the connection between 'valiant' and 'William'
> I quote from the reply I just wrote for Peter:
>
> * Valiant / William is as good a rhyme as the examples
> * given above, and the alliteration is even of a genetic sort,
> * for William German Wilhelm is composed of will and helmet,
> * will akin to German wollen and Latin velle 'wish', volo 'I wish',
> * in a further meaning 'I decide, order', and valiant coming
> * from valere 'to be strong', in a further meaning 'to have
> * influence, power, importance'
> *
> *  volo 'I wish', also 'I decide, order'
> *
> *  valeo 'I am strong', also 'I have influence, power, importance'
>
> Your reply is typical for a strutting Strat : reproaches and
> ad hominems instead of answers to questions.

Do try to understand that when I call your assertions ignorant and
imbecilic I am not attempting to make any kind of argument against
them, "ad hominem" or otherwise, since they do not deserve serious
attention: they are beneath what has beeen called the dignity of
refutation.  I am merely stating facts that are evident to anyone with
normal reasoning powers and even the meanest understanding of your
subject matter (Shakespeare, poetics, linguistics).

In the academic world we have a thing called peer review; which is a
way of filtering out errors and excesses of various kinds in published
articles and books.  You, of course, could never aspire to
publication, but you are getting in this group what might be termed
review by your intellectual superiors, for which you ought to grateful
(rather than petulant and sulky).  The most useful thing you could do
is to pay attention to what is being explained to you by others (I
don't have the patience for it).

Peter G.

You can't
> make all those obscure remarks unveil their meaning,
> you worship a demi-god veiled in fog and cloaked in clouds,
> preferring him to an actual and apparently loveworthy human
> being of great merit, as the real William Shakespeare
> emerging from the play Romeo and Juliet in my reading
> that is now one week old, since I found the telling pun
>
>   O, where is Romeo?        O, Vere is Romeo!
>
> last Friday, followed yesterday by
>
>   What, Juliet!      Watch, Juliet!
>
> and the alliteration
>
>   valiant Paris     valiant William
>
> Romeo -- Edward de Vere, playwright
> Juliet -- audience personified, Muse
> Paris -- William Shakespeare of the Globe
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From: Peter Groves <metricality@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Proof that 'Shakespeare' was Edward de Vere, Earl of Oxford
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