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On Mar 5, 4:16 am, Franz Gnaedinger <f...@bluemail.ch> wrote:
> On Mar 4, 7:36 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > <loue> was pronounced with exactly the same consonants it (<love>) is
> > pronounced with today.
>
> I hear it pronounced differently, most singers give

Where did you find a recording of a 17th-century singer?

> a slightly aspirated 'v', and some rare singers,
> trying to be real soft, pronounce 'u' - the difference
> being the distance between the upper front teeth
> and the lower lip, the closer together the more of
> a 'v', the farther apart the more an 'u', while in the
> case of the 'w' the upper lip takes over the role
> of the upper front teeth. I prefer the phyisological
> aspect to phonemes.

You are extremely confused.

Phonemes don't have "physiological aspects."

> Valiant and William are as good as a rhyme. De Vere

Not in English, they're not.

> uses all sorts of rhymes, in sonnet 66 for example
>
>   strumpeted / disabled

Your definition of "rhyme" is even more bizarre than your definition
of "language."

> and the same for Bob Dylan, in Hey Mister Tambourin
> Man he sings of "skipped reels of rhyme" then goes
>
>   mind / time

Do you really not see how "mind / time" differs from "strumpeted /
disabled"?

> and in Talkin' John Birch Paranoid Blues
>
>   anything else / myself
>
> I have seen hundreds of correctly rhymed poems that
> had nothing else to offer, didn't make the soul and mind
> resound, missing the 'rhyme' between poem and reader,
> while de Vere and Dylan, with their often imperfect rhymes
> achieve that most important rhyme between their lines
> and the mind and soul of the reader and listener.
>
> Valiant / William is as good a rhyme as the examples
> given above, and the alliteration is even of a genetic sort,
> for William German Wilhelm is composed of will and helmet,
> will akin to German wollen and to Latin velle 'wish', volo
> 'I wish', in a further meaning 'I decide, order', and valiant
> comes from valere 'to be strong', in a further meaning
> 'to have influence, power, importance'
>
>   volo 'I wish', also 'I decide, order'
>
>   valeo 'I am strong', also 'I have influence, power, importance'
>
>   Over here
>   Our dear
>   One and only
>   Young and gentle
>   Real flower
>   Videlicet :
>   Valiant
>   William
>   Shakespeare
>   (Rhymed not by Vere
>    Es isch vo mier
>   Franz Gnaedinger)