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Article #5179Re: Proof that 'Shakespeare' was Edward de Vere, Earl of Oxford
From: Franz Gnaedinger
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 16:42
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 16:42
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On Mar 5, 1:18 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote: > > Where did you find a recording of a 17th-century singer? I am speaking of modern singers and pop songs, where I hear love and rarely loue, very soft, in order to express real loue, a soft sweet feeling (although a singer has just the one thing in mind, to stand his pretty piece of flesh, as a character in Romeo and Juliet says). You are one of the enduring phonemishists of sci.lang, when phonemes have long proved being not reliable, the physiology of speaking - of moving lips and jaw and tongue - is the real thing for me. > You are extremely confused. My rendering of producing the 'v' and 'u' and 'w' in the light of physiology confuses you, Sir, I am bright and clear as always, methinks. > Phonemes don't have "physiological aspects." Bang bang Peter's silver hammer goes down on me head. > Not in English, they're not. Look up the phonetical renderings of valiant and William, you phonemishist, and you'll see that they are quite close. You are one of the mechanicals in the sense of Edward de Vere, going along the textbook, as Peter Quince who stages a classic trajecty according to the way how it must be done, and the result is a catastrophe (a hilarious one, because Edward de Vere wrote it, as a satire on what he calls mechanical playwrighting and acting). > Your definition of "rhyme" is even more bizarre than your definition > of "language." Why don't you go back to the university of Big Onion, ask for someone to learn you how to read, and then you look up the sonnets in the complete works of 'Shakespeare, and, if you know how to count (otherwise you have to go back to the BO for another course) you identify sonnet 66 and enumerate the rhymes, which are the matching words at the end of the lines, and you'll find ... strumpeted / ... disabled > Do you really not see how "mind / time" differs from "strumpeted / > disabled"? The free rhyme strumpeted /disabled is found in sonnet 66 by 'William Shakespeare' who actually was Edward de Vere. Repeating my lines about 'valiant' and 'William' being even of the same origin. Metamorphosis predated evolution for a long time, is deeply rooted in the Celtic legacy, moreover, Edward de Vere, in his young age, helped his uncle translate Ovid's Metamorphoses into English, so he could have recognized valere as root of valiant and velle as root of will in William, regarding one word as having morphed into the other: > > Valiant / William is as good a rhyme as the examples > > given above, and the alliteration is even of a genetic sort, > > for William German Wilhelm is composed of will and helmet, > > will akin to German wollen and to Latin velle 'wish', volo > > 'I wish', in a further meaning 'I decide, order', and valiant > > comes from valere 'to be strong', in a further meaning > > 'to have influence, power, importance' > > > volo 'I wish', also 'I decide, order' > > > valeo 'I am strong', also 'I have influence, power, importance' > > > Over here > > Our dear > > One and only > > Young and gentle > > Real flower > > Videlicet : > > Valiant > > William > > Shakespeare > > (Rhymed not by Vere > > Es isch vo mier > > Franz Gnaedinger)
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