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Article #5191Re: Proof that 'Shakespeare' was Edward de Vere, Earl of Oxford
From: Franz Gnaedinger
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 09:32
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 09:32
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On Mar 1, 6:50 pm, "Peter Farey" <pete...@rey.prestel.co.uk> wrote: > > Tybalt is Juliet's cousin who, angered at Romeo (a Montague) > gatecrashing the Capulets' ball - but being prevented by > Capulet from challenging him at the time - has apparently > sent a challenge to the Montagues' house and is now looking > for him. > > No he doesn't. Mercutio is the first to utter provocative > words and neither draws initially. > > Not yet it doesn't. Romeo arrives, at which point Tybalt > says "Here's my man", and tries to provoke him to fight. > Romeo refuses (because this is Juliet's cousin), which > angers Mercutio as a "vile submission", and he's determined > to fight even if Romeo won't. He draws first, and some > lines later Tybalt draws too. > > Romeo tries to beat down their swords, but in doing so > allows Mercutio to be stabbed (under Romeo's arm). Tybalt > flees and Mercutio, mortally wounded but still alive, is > led away by Benvolio, who soon returns to say that he has > died. Romeo decides that this death must be revenged. > > Tybalt returns and Romeo challenges him. They fight and > Tybalt dies. Benvolio urges him to flee, which he does > eventually. > > The Prince arrives, and incensed that his prohibition of > any such fighting has been ignored and his kinsman Mercutio > killed, he banishes Romeo from Verona on pain of death. Kindly consider me an eyewitness delivering my personal report. Ask the police, they will tell you that one witness saw a blue jacket, the next one a red jacket, and the third a yellow one. What counts in the end is that the right villain is revealed by a witness. > Peter Farey was joking. Any alleged "hidden meanings" like > these are worthless unless that meaning is grammatically > correct, says something which is actually meaningful, and > can be proved beyond reasonable doubt to have been placed > there deliberately. The joke in the Baroque theater is that the chester is speaking the truth, the least likely one to do so. And you, as a Marlowe supporter in the Shakespeare question, helped me establish de Vere. So Peter Farey made a fine joke. > The only "fine advice" I gave you was to make sure that you > have a satisfactory answer to the questions posed in my > short article at <http://tinyurl.com/ydzqv8r>. How are you > doing? I replied yesterday afternoon, telling you that I can't print out your blog, told you so in all detail, and therefore had to answer your question in a general way. Didn't you see it? Must I repeat it for you? Well then: (begin of copy) I just tried to print it out, impossible, four pages slid out of the printer, the first one with the title, rest of the sheet empty, then your blog on the next page, cut off in the middle of the second table, then another empty page, only a narrow column of advertisements on the margin, then a page with a couple of links at the top, rest empty. Most of your question blog swallowed. So I had to read it online and will answer it here, without having studied it at home. Kurt Kreiler wrote a book on The Man who Invented Shakespeare, I heard him on a radio program but didn't see his book, an English translation is bound to appear this summer, as I am informed, and he will answer your questions, I hope, for he found a lot of remote material. For the time being I rely on him for the historical aspects and carry on my hermetic work. First I read Hamlet, looking out for possible references of Hamlet and de Vere, but found nothing new, then I read Romeo and Juliet, looking out for the first appearance of Romeo, having been taught by Homer who always gives a lot of information on a god or a hero when introducing him, and found the following question in Act 1 Scene 1 O, where is Romeo? (question) which quickly led to the following lines O, Vere is Romeo! (pun) de Vere, Oxford (answer) Edward de Vere (name) Earl of Oxford (title) Pun, answer, name and title consist of twelve letters each, pun, answer and name are bound by the same letter, while the binding letter E..e of the name and the binding letter O...o of the pun yield EO, the early signature of Edward de Vere. Reason enough for me to look out for parallels between the play and de Vere's life. I dare say that the play has many layers, one of them being the bard telling about his vocation and his fate as playright and poet, and how his art goes along with troubles he encountered in his life, and some he caused himself. I know very little about Edward de Vere, coming from Homer, interpreting his Odyssey, but I think a fresh look at the greatest playright of all times might also be welcome, at least to some (end of copy)
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