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Article #5318Re: English pronunciation of Latin
From: Avi Jacobson
Date: Sun, 02 Feb 1997 00:00
Date: Sun, 02 Feb 1997 00:00
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Coby (Jacob) Lubliner wrote: > > In article <32EF84CC.56ED@netvision.net.il>, > Avi Jacobson <avi_jaco@netvision.net.il> wrote: > > >You neglect to mention the only English speakers who do NOT pronounce > >Latin this way: musicians and Catholics -- both of whom use the Vatican > >pronunciation, which is almost exactly the same as the pronuncation of > >Italian. > > There is, however, an exception made for music written by North > German composers such as Bach, in which the German pronunciation of > Latin is often used; for example, <g> is always [g]; <c> before <e>, > <i>, <y>, <ae>, <oe> is [ts]; <qu> is [kv] not [kw]; <oe> is [W]. > > Coby Lubliner Right church (the Catholic church, of course), wrong pew. It is not the origin of the music which influences the choice of Latin pronunciation, but the identity of the performer(s). German Catholics (and German musicians) ignore the Vatican's edict regarding the Italianized pronunciation of Latin and pronounce it as Coby has indicated. But this is not because they are singing Bach -- they pronounce the Vivaldi "Gloria" the same way! And an Italian or Spanish or American or British choir pronounces the Bach B Minor Mass the Italian way. I have had the infuriating experience of being forced by a visiting German conductor to sing [tuba mirum spargens zolum] (yes, that's right, this pretentious Teutonic semi-conductor's German linguistic chauvinism went as far as to voice initial s) in the Mozart Requiem. I have also heard "mixed renditions" in the concert hall (I don't recall hearing any such commercial recordings), where one solist used German pronunciation and others used Italian. A side issue is the pronunciation sometimes used by the French (but not in nearly as widespread a manner as the German pronunciation is used in Germany): [sa~ktys, sa~ktys, sa~ktys, dOminys dEys sabaOt] I kid ye not. Salve, Avi (Wouldn't it be great if someone named Regina signed off with "Salve"?) -- Avi Jacobson, email: avi_jaco@netvision.net.il | When an idea is Home Page (Israel): | wanting, a word http://www.netvision.net.il/php/avi_jaco | can always be found Mirror Home Page (U.S.): | to take its place. http://www.geocities.com/Paris/4034 | -- Goethe
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 10a20a,551beaee80785e30 X-Google-Attributes: gid10a20a,public X-Google-Thread: 105352,62c38b0c3db28d6c X-Google-Attributes: gid105352,public X-Google-Thread: 11289b,551beaee80785e30 X-Google-Attributes: gid11289b,public From: Avi Jacobson <avi_jaco@netvision.net.il> Subject: Re: English pronunciation of Latin Date: 1997/02/02 Message-ID: <32F487AB.CA3@netvision.net.il> X-Deja-AN: 213899322 references: <32EF84CC.56ED@netvision.net.il> <5d01f8$p2j@agate.berkeley.edu> to: "Coby (Jacob) Lubliner" <coby@euler.Berkeley.EDU> content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii organization: Textual Services mime-version: 1.0 newsgroups: sci.lang,sci.classics,humanities.classics x-mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I)