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3 total messages Started by jjoensuu Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:43
resource materials about creating a vocabulary
#3058
Author: jjoensuu
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:43
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Hi all,

first of all, apologies if this posting does not exactly match the
subject of the discussion group. I was a bit clueless as to which
group to post this question to.

I am looking for information (books, etc) on the subject of "creating
a vocabulary on something on which no vocabulary as of yet exists".
With "something" I am here referring to e.g. a new technology,
process, or a set of ideas in the mind which cannot be unambiguously
described with a currently existing vocabulary.

In other words, this is about the creation of a vocabulary for
communication of new ideas in a natural language.

I am mainly interested of a conceptual framework or a set of best
practices for the process of developing a vocabulary, if anything like
that exists. Alternatively, documentation on the history and/or
problems encountered when attempting to communicate new ideas would be
useful.

Any direction in this would be appreciated.

thanks in advance,

JJ
Re: resource materials about creating a vocabulary
#3059
Author: Dick Margulis
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:13
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jjoensuu wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> first of all, apologies if this posting does not exactly match the
> subject of the discussion group. I was a bit clueless as to which
> group to post this question to.
> 
> I am looking for information (books, etc) on the subject of "creating
> a vocabulary on something on which no vocabulary as of yet exists".
> With "something" I am here referring to e.g. a new technology,
> process, or a set of ideas in the mind which cannot be unambiguously
> described with a currently existing vocabulary.
> 
> In other words, this is about the creation of a vocabulary for
> communication of new ideas in a natural language.
> 
> I am mainly interested of a conceptual framework or a set of best
> practices for the process of developing a vocabulary, if anything like
> that exists. Alternatively, documentation on the history and/or
> problems encountered when attempting to communicate new ideas would be
> useful.
> 
> Any direction in this would be appreciated.
> 
> thanks in advance,
> 
> JJ
> 


You mean the old way or the new way?

Rough outline of the old way, which generally took from several years to 
several decades to execute:

1. Person thinks up new idea and uses existing language, with metaphoric 
extensions as needed, to describe it, publishes paper or book or just 
writes about it to his buddies in L'Acad�mie or the Society of Whatever.

2. Competitor, just weeks or months behind, publishes, using somewhat 
different words to describe the same phenomenon or idea.

3. Printers rifle through existing symbols and dingbats to find a unique 
way to express the subject symbolically without cutting new punches, 
work something out with the author.

4. Ideas become the talk of the literati and people in the field start 
teaching the idea to their university classes. Most students founder, 
but some struggle through the original language and grab hold of the idea.

5. Such a student publishes a more elegant expression of the 
idea--shorter, punchier, cleaner--using words and phrases of his own 
coinage.

6. Others recognize the improvement and incorporate it into their own 
textbooks.

7. The topic filters down to the secondary school level, with textbook 
writers and editors further compressing and simplifying. The 
best-written, most memorable versions survive in the oral tradition and 
get added to the language.

Rough outline of the new way, which generally takes six weeks to three 
months:

1. Engineer who hasn't been seen since he was hired, because he works 
from home and that's okay with everyone because he dresses funny and 
smells bad, emails his boss with a schematic/flowchart/link to a working 
prototype/whatever of a brilliant new gizmo. Email is full of its/it's 
confusion and other signs of not paying attention in English class.

2. Supervisor stares at the email for a few minutes, recognizes that 
there might indeed be something of value there, asks a project manager 
he knows to do a little skunk works testing to see if the thing is 
feasible to make and if a focus group, presented with it, thinks they 
might buy it.

3. Supervisor, after a positive report from the subterranean testing, 
screws up his courage and adds it to his monthly report to management.

4. Management assigns it to marketing to figure out whether they can 
sell it.

5. Bunch of marcomm types sit around a conference table while one person 
writes shouted words on the whiteboard.

6. Head of marketing looks at the list, picks the three words she 
shouted and erases the rest.

7. New vocabulary is laced through every news release, product 
datasheet, user manual, financial report, and advertisement the company 
issues over the next year.

8. Technology reporter who can't distinguish corporate PR spin from news 
reports on the new idea using the company's vocabulary. If the product 
catches on in the market, the public uses that vocabulary, too.

Dick Margulis, with tongue only partly in cheek
http://ampersandvirgule.blogspot.com/
Re: resource materials about creating a vocabulary
#3060
Author: Peter T. Daniels
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:32
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On Jun 25, 8:43 am, jjoensuu <j_joen...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> first of all, apologies if this posting does not exactly match the
> subject of the discussion group. I was a bit clueless as to which
> group to post this question to.
>
> I am looking for information (books, etc) on the subject of "creating
> a vocabulary on something on which no vocabulary as of yet exists".
> With "something" I am here referring to e.g. a new technology,
> process, or a set of ideas in the mind which cannot be unambiguously
> described with a currently existing vocabulary.
>
> In other words, this is about the creation of a vocabulary for
> communication of new ideas in a natural language.
>
> I am mainly interested of a conceptual framework or a set of best
> practices for the process of developing a vocabulary, if anything like
> that exists. Alternatively, documentation on the history and/or
> problems encountered when attempting to communicate new ideas would be
> useful.
>
> Any direction in this would be appreciated.

You're looking for the field of linguistics called "lexicology" and
the field of translation studies called "terminology."

What's "alt.language"?
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