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2 total messages Started by Zhong Qiyao Thu, 30 May 1996 00:00
(lang/pinyin) ~{ƴ���뷽��~} (�����P�訥)
#3153
Author: Zhong Qiyao
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 00:00
128 lines
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(Big-Five version follows below HZ. ���j�X�b�֢�X�U���C)

~{Dc:C#!~}
Mandarin: ni 214 hao 214
Cantonese: na"i 13 hou 35 (<a"i> is in I.P.A. [ei])
Taiwanese: lni 53-55 hoo 53

     Dan, you are ~{;}5$Da~}.

     Hanyu Pinyin is only used for Mandarin Hanyu.  However, you can
make other dialects "look like" Hanyu Pinyin, but you cannot directly
use Hanyu Pinyin for any other dialect.  If a dialect has "b, bh, p, ph",
you can spell it in this four groups.  If you use "bb, pp, b, p", fine.
Then you have "bb, pp" as voiced, and "b, p" as unvoiced.  Taiwanese
would have "bb, b, p".

~{!!!!::SoF4RtV;JGSC@4F4FUM(;0#(9zSo#)5D!#Dc?IRT0QFdK{7=QTIh<F5C~}
~{!0Oq!1::SoF4Rt#,5+JGDc2;D\V1=S0Q::SoF4RtSC8xFdK{7=QT!#~}
~{Hg9{R;VV7=QTSP~}b, bh, p, ph~{#,~}
~{Dc?IRTSCUbKDWi@4F4!#SC~}bb, pp, b, p~{R2?IRT#,DGQyWS~}bb, pp~{>MJG~}
~{WGRt#,~}b, p~{>MJGGeRt!#L(Me;0>MSC~}bb, p, p~{!#~}

     Also, if you or I want to device a Taiwanese spelling scheme,
we would have to ask native Taiwanese speakers what they think.

~{!!!!Hg9{Dc;rNROk7"CwL(Me;0F4Rt7(#,Wn:CJGOrD8SoU_NJRb<{!#~}

     A dialect cannot look too much like Hanyu Pinyin, because you
want to maintain internal consistency in a dialect, instead of
just "wanting it to look like Hanyu Pinyin".

~{!!!!7=QT2;D\L+Os::SoF4Rt#,RrN*7=QTDZ2?R*SPR;VBPT#,6x2;V;JGR*!0Ok?4Fp@4~}
~{Os::SoF4Rt!#!1~}

     For example, in my Cantonese system:
<tog 33> [t'Ok 33] (support); ~{MP~}
<tong 55> [t'ON 55] (soup); ~{L@~}
<tung 55> [t'oN 55] (through); ~{M(~}     (instead of Mandarin <tong> [t'oN])

<yi 55> [ji 55] (shirt); ~{RB~}
<si 55> [si 55] (silk); ~{K?~}            (instead of Mandarin <si> [s!])

<gen 55> [k@n 55] (root) ~{8y~} (<@> = upside-down [a]);
<gei 55> [k@i 55] (chicken) ~{<&~};       (instead of Mandarin <gei> [kei])
<gan 55> [kan 55] (cheaty); ~{<i~}
<gai 55> [kai 55] (street); ~{=V~}
<ga"i 55> [kei 55] (machine); ~{;z~}   (<u"> <o"> <a"> are used in Cantonese)

     Taiwanese lacks the sound similar to the Cantonese <e> [@]
or Mandarin <e> [@] (upside-down [e]), except for <oo> [@], as
in <hoo 53> [h@ 53] (good).  So <e> in Taiwanese can be used for [E],
instead of used for [@].  Point: every dialect is slightly different.

~{!!!!L(Me;0C;SPOs9cV];0~}e~{#(!08y!15DTOM7#);rFUM(;0~}e~{#(!08y!15DTOM7#)~}
~{5DRt!*!*3}AK!0:C!15DTOD8V.Mb!#KyRT#,L(Me;0?IRTSC~}e~{4z1m~}[E]
~{#(!0;p!15DTON2#)#,6x2;JGSC~}e~{4z1m~}[@]~{#(!0:C!15DTOD8#)!#~}
~{VX5c#:C?VV7=QT6<SP5c2;M,!#~}

                                        Qiyao
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*Zhong* Qiyao (Mr.) (~{oqFtR"~}) <tw.com.accton!zhong>
Zhibang (Yanfa), Yanxin 3 Lu 1 Hao, Xinzhu, Taiwan, TW-300-77
Gregorian 1996-05-13, North Equinox 1996-02-24, Mon, 08:00 (UTC+0800)
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  �A�n�I
Mandarin: ni 214 hao 214
Cantonese: na"i 13 hou 35 (<a"i> is in I.P.A. [ei])
Taiwanese: lni 53-55 hoo 53

     Dan, you are   �n����  .

     Hanyu Pinyin is only used for Mandarin Hanyu.  However, you can
make other dialects "look like" Hanyu Pinyin, but you cannot directly
use Hanyu Pinyin for any other dialect.  If a dialect has "b, bh, p, ph",
you can spell it in this four groups.  If you use "bb, pp, b, p", fine.
Then you have "bb, pp" as voiced, and "b, p" as unvoiced.  Taiwanese
would have "bb, b, p".

  �@�@�~�y�����u�O�Ψӫ����q�ܡ]��y�^���C�A�i�H���L�訥�]�p�o
  �������~�y�����A��O�A���ઽ����~�y�����ε���L�訥�C
  �p�G�@�ؤ訥��  b, bh, p, ph  �A
  �A�i�H�γo�|�ըӫ��C��  bb, pp, b, p  �]�i�H�A���ˤl  bb, pp  �N�O
  �B���A  b, p  �N�O�M���C�x�W�ܴN��  bb, p, p  �C

     Also, if you or I want to device a Taiwanese spelling scheme,
we would have to ask native Taiwanese speakers what they think.

  �@�@�p�G�A�ΧڷQ�o��x�W�ܫ����k�A�̦n�O�V���y�̰ݷN���C

     A dialect cannot look too much like Hanyu Pinyin, because you
want to maintain internal consistency in a dialect, instead of
just "wanting it to look like Hanyu Pinyin".

  �@�@�訥����ӶH�~�y�����A�]���訥�����n���@�P�ʡA�Ӥ��u�O�n���Q�ݰ_��
  �H�~�y�������C

     For example, in my Cantonese system:
<tog 33> [t'Ok 33] (support);   ��
<tong 55> [t'ON 55] (soup);   ��
<tung 55> [t'oN 55] (through);   �q       (instead of Mandarin <tong> [t'oN])

<yi 55> [ji 55] (shirt);   ��
<si 55> [si 55] (silk);   ��              (instead of Mandarin <si> [s!])

<gen 55> [k@n 55] (root)   ��   (<@> = upside-down [a]);
<gei 55> [k@i 55] (chicken)   ��  ;       (instead of Mandarin <gei> [kei])
<gan 55> [kan 55] (cheaty);   �l
<gai 55> [kai 55] (street);   ��
<ga"i 55> [kei 55] (machine);   ��     (<u"> <o"> <a"> are used in Cantonese)

     Taiwanese lacks the sound similar to the Cantonese <e> [@]
or Mandarin <e> [@] (upside-down [e]), except for <oo> [@], as
in <hoo 53> [h@ 53] (good).  So <e> in Taiwanese can be used for [E],
instead of used for [@].  Point: every dialect is slightly different.

  �@�@�x�W�ܨS���H�s�{��  e  �]���ڡ������Y�^�δ��q��  e  �]���ڡ������Y�^
  �����w�w���F���n����������~�C�ҥH�A�x�W�ܥi�H��  e  �N��  [E]
  �]������������^�A�Ӥ��O��  e  �N��  [@]  �]���n��������^�C
  ���I�G�C�ؤ訥�����I���P�C

                                        Qiyao
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*Zhong* Qiyao (Mr.) (  ��ҳ�  ) <tw.com.accton!zhong>
Zhibang (Yanfa), Yanxin 3 Lu 1 Hao, Xinzhu, Taiwan, TW-300-77
Gregorian 1996-05-13, North Equinox 1996-02-24, Mon, 08:00 (UTC+0800)
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(use this version) ~{ƴ���뷽��~} (�����P�訥)
#3154
Author: Zhong Qiyao
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 00:00
128 lines
7669 bytes
(Big-Five version follows below HZ. ���j�X�b�֢�X�U���C)

~{Dc:C#!~}
Mandarin: ni 214 hao 214
Cantonese: na"i 13 hou 35 (<a"i> is in I.P.A. [ei])
Taiwanese: li 53-55 hoo 53 (<oo> is in I.P.A. upside-down [e])

     Dan, you are ~{;}5$Da~}.

     Hanyu Pinyin is only used for Mandarin Hanyu.  However, you can
make other dialects "look like" Hanyu Pinyin, but you cannot directly
use Hanyu Pinyin for any other dialect.  If a dialect has "b, bh, p, ph",
you can spell it in this four groups.  If you use "bb, pp, b, p", fine.
Then you have "bb, pp" as voiced, and "b, p" as unvoiced.  Taiwanese
would have "bb, b, p".

~{!!!!::SoF4RtV;JGSC@4F4FUM(;0#(9zSo#)5D!#Dc?IRT0QFdK{7=QTIh<F5C~}
~{!0Oq!1::SoF4Rt#,5+JGDc2;D\V1=S0Q::SoF4RtSC8xFdK{7=QT!#~}
~{Hg9{R;VV7=QTSP~}b, bh, p, ph~{#,~}
~{Dc?IRTSCUbKDWi@4F4!#SC~}bb, pp, b, p~{R2?IRT#,DGQyWS~}bb, pp~{>MJG~}
~{WGRt#,~}b, p~{>MJGGeRt!#L(Me;0>MSC~}bb, p, p~{!#~}

     Also, if you or I want to device a Taiwanese spelling scheme,
we would have to ask native Taiwanese speakers what they think.

~{!!!!Hg9{Dc;rNROk7"CwL(Me;0F4Rt7(#,Wn:CJGOrD8SoU_NJRb<{!#~}

     A dialect cannot look too much like Hanyu Pinyin, because you
want to maintain internal consistency in a dialect, instead of
just "wanting it to look like Hanyu Pinyin".

~{!!!!7=QT2;D\L+Os::SoF4Rt#,RrN*7=QTDZ2?R*SPR;VBPT#,6x2;V;JGR*!0Ok?4Fp@4~}
~{Os::SoF4Rt!#!1~}

     For example, in my Cantonese system:
<tog 33> [t'Ok 33] (support); ~{MP~}
<tong 55> [t'ON 55] (soup); ~{L@~}
<tung 55> [t'oN 55] (through); ~{M(~}     (instead of Mandarin <tong> [t'oN])

<yi 55> [ji 55] (shirt); ~{RB~}
<si 55> [si 55] (silk); ~{K?~}            (instead of Mandarin <si> [s!])

<gen 55> [k@n 55] (root) ~{8y~} (<@> = upside-down [a]);
<gei 55> [k@i 55] (chicken) ~{<&~};       (instead of Mandarin <gei> [kei])
<gan 55> [kan 55] (cheaty); ~{<i~}
<gai 55> [kai 55] (street); ~{=V~}
<ga"i 55> [kei 55] (machine); ~{;z~}   (<u"> <o"> <a"> are used in Cantonese)

     Taiwanese lacks the sound similar to the Cantonese <e> [@]
or Mandarin <e> [@] (upside-down [e]), except for <oo> [@], as
in <hoo 53> [h@ 53] (good).  So <e> in Taiwanese can be used for [E],
instead of used for [@].  Point: every dialect is slightly different.

~{!!!!L(Me;0C;SPOs9cV];0~}e~{#(!08y!15DTOM7#);rFUM(;0~}e~{#(!08y!15DTOM7#)~}
~{5DRt!*!*3}AK!0:C!15DTOD8V.Mb!#KyRT#,L(Me;0?IRTSC~}e~{4z1m~}[E]
~{#(!0;p!15DTON2#)#,6x2;JGSC~}e~{4z1m~}[@]~{#(!0:C!15DTOD8#)!#~}
~{VX5c#:C?VV7=QT6<SP5c2;M,!#~}

                                        Qiyao
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*Zhong* Qiyao (Mr.) (~{oqFtR"~}) <tw.com.accton!zhong>
Zhibang (Yanfa), Yanxin 3 Lu 1 Hao, Xinzhu, Taiwan, TW-300-77
Gregorian 1996-05-13, North Equinox 1996-02-24, Mon, 08:00 (UTC+0800)
------------------------------------------------------------------------

  �A�n�I
Mandarin: ni 214 hao 214
Cantonese: na"i 13 hou 35 (<a"i> is in I.P.A. [ei])
Taiwanese: li 53-55 hoo 53 (<oo> is in I.P.A. upside-down [e])

     Dan, you are   �n����  .

     Hanyu Pinyin is only used for Mandarin Hanyu.  However, you can
make other dialects "look like" Hanyu Pinyin, but you cannot directly
use Hanyu Pinyin for any other dialect.  If a dialect has "b, bh, p, ph",
you can spell it in this four groups.  If you use "bb, pp, b, p", fine.
Then you have "bb, pp" as voiced, and "b, p" as unvoiced.  Taiwanese
would have "bb, b, p".

  �@�@�~�y�����u�O�Ψӫ����q�ܡ]��y�^���C�A�i�H���L�訥�]�p�o
  �������~�y�����A��O�A���ઽ����~�y�����ε���L�訥�C
  �p�G�@�ؤ訥��  b, bh, p, ph  �A
  �A�i�H�γo�|�ըӫ��C��  bb, pp, b, p  �]�i�H�A���ˤl  bb, pp  �N�O
  �B���A  b, p  �N�O�M���C�x�W�ܴN��  bb, p, p  �C

     Also, if you or I want to device a Taiwanese spelling scheme,
we would have to ask native Taiwanese speakers what they think.

  �@�@�p�G�A�ΧڷQ�o��x�W�ܫ����k�A�̦n�O�V���y�̰ݷN���C

     A dialect cannot look too much like Hanyu Pinyin, because you
want to maintain internal consistency in a dialect, instead of
just "wanting it to look like Hanyu Pinyin".

  �@�@�訥����ӶH�~�y�����A�]���訥�����n���@�P�ʡA�Ӥ��u�O�n���Q�ݰ_��
  �H�~�y�������C

     For example, in my Cantonese system:
<tog 33> [t'Ok 33] (support);   ��
<tong 55> [t'ON 55] (soup);   ��
<tung 55> [t'oN 55] (through);   �q       (instead of Mandarin <tong> [t'oN])

<yi 55> [ji 55] (shirt);   ��
<si 55> [si 55] (silk);   ��              (instead of Mandarin <si> [s!])

<gen 55> [k@n 55] (root)   ��   (<@> = upside-down [a]);
<gei 55> [k@i 55] (chicken)   ��  ;       (instead of Mandarin <gei> [kei])
<gan 55> [kan 55] (cheaty);   �l
<gai 55> [kai 55] (street);   ��
<ga"i 55> [kei 55] (machine);   ��     (<u"> <o"> <a"> are used in Cantonese)

     Taiwanese lacks the sound similar to the Cantonese <e> [@]
or Mandarin <e> [@] (upside-down [e]), except for <oo> [@], as
in <hoo 53> [h@ 53] (good).  So <e> in Taiwanese can be used for [E],
instead of used for [@].  Point: every dialect is slightly different.

  �@�@�x�W�ܨS���H�s�{��  e  �]���ڡ������Y�^�δ��q��  e  �]���ڡ������Y�^
  �����w�w���F���n����������~�C�ҥH�A�x�W�ܥi�H��  e  �N��  [E]
  �]������������^�A�Ӥ��O��  e  �N��  [@]  �]���n��������^�C
  ���I�G�C�ؤ訥�����I���P�C

                                        Qiyao
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*Zhong* Qiyao (Mr.) (  ��ҳ�  ) <tw.com.accton!zhong>
Zhibang (Yanfa), Yanxin 3 Lu 1 Hao, Xinzhu, Taiwan, TW-300-77
Gregorian 1996-05-13, North Equinox 1996-02-24, Mon, 08:00 (UTC+0800)
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