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Article #307Re: Response to Hayflick
From: joe record
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 15:10
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 15:10
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thanks julian.......this is neat writing. hope you have more to chck down th hatch. all the best joe. Julian Assange wrote: > "John H." <johnhkm@netsprintXXXX.net.au> writes: > > > There's a worry: > > > > People can discuss and legislate all they like, if the technology is > > possible it is going to be implemented legally or illegally; probably both. > > This widely used argument is arrant nonsense. It's important to > recognise it and shoot it down where-ever it is seen; for it leads to > complacency and fatalism. > > In every science/engineering development process there are many (i.e > thousands or millions) of decisions to be made. Many of these > decisions are finely balanced enough such that even small external > forces (including the perception of external forces) can tip them one > way or another. > > Every student, researcher and investor must decide to spend their time > and money on one thing or another and it is rare that the difference > between the top choices is large. When large differences > occur, they are quickly exploited by market forces and made small. > > So, public perceptions, tax (dis)incentives etc do make a difference. > Sometimes a very large difference. > > In fields that require substantial capital, educational and time > investment, the participants are notoriously conservative and > responsive to government censure. The best way to quell a revolution > is to give people assets they can lose. > > > the more chronic assistance will be required. Eg. We're all slowly > > going blind, imagine a world filled with 120 year blind people? > > Perversely, the most effective anti-aging technique yet invented might > be UVA/UVB/IR screening sunglasses. > > > Most? The bait of universal life prolongation will be held out, in reality > > it will be for a minority and may never be feasible for the vast majority. > > Like small-pox and oral sabin vaccine? > > Recombinant lactobaccilus bifidus and other gut flora could produce > significantly beneficial anti-oxidative pre-cursors > in-vivo. Automatic dosage control via feedback of cellular production > of oxidative markers could make such treatments extra-ordinarily safe > and as cheap as eating a container of yogurt every few months. > > There are dozens of potential solutions like this one, that have > insignificant marginal cost. Some are achievable right now. All > that's needed is money and public acceptance. We have magic bullets in > terms of delivery. If we had more money for micro-array experiments > on the abnormally long lived, perhaps we would have more magic in > the payload too. > > > It's easy to make a machine that lasts a long time and functions well, but > > bodies are very different, there were never designed to last a long time in > > the first place. > > On the contrary, we were designed to last as long as possible, given > certain reproductive trade-offs. This is why the problem is hard; > evolution has already found all the easy solutions. Yet, we can see > that evolution needs gradual increments in its fitness landscape and > does not take advantage of large scale co-operation. Vaccines take > advantage of both our ability to think ahead and co-operate. They > demonstrate that it is possible to significantly augment natural > abilities by applying what was not within our evolutionary grasp. > > -- > Julian Assange |If you want to build a ship, don't drum up people > |together to collect wood or assign them tasks and > proff@iq.org |work, but rather teach them to long for the endless > proff@gnu.ai.mit.edu |immensity of the sea. -- Antoine de Saint Exupery
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