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lagavril@midway.uchicago.edu (Leonid Gavrilov) wrote in message news:<9259eb2.0302131918.1157aa15@posting.google.com>...
> Greetings,
> 
> May I ask for your advice on the following issue.
> 
> Suppose you have a chance to be heard by high level policy-makers, and
> your recommendations on aging problem could be included in their
> documents for possible important policy decisions.
> 
> (1) What would you say to them, so that to promote
> aging/life-extension research ?
> 
Aging and age-related disease and morbidity are interlinked. As the
population ages, health care costs increase. Antiaging medicine, by
mainting healthy vitality in the aging population, will reduce
age/disease related morbidity and decreased productivity.

> (2) How would you shape your phrases, so that they be accepted by
> conservative and skeptical policy-makers?

I would link anti-aging goals to health and vitality extending
efforts.
> 
> (3) How to say this in a very short way (few sentences), so that these
> suggestions could be included into one-page memorandum ?

Except for more exposition, I've not much more to add.
> 
> Here is why I am asking for your advice:
> 
> Next week I will be in Texas at the World Health Forum on Aging:
> http://www.worldhealthforum-us.org/
> 
> Somehow I happened to be in a group of delegates who have to suggest,
> discuss and approve policy recommendations on aging problem:
> http://www.worldhealthforum-us.org/deligate2002a.html
> 
> I would like to embed the ideas we discuss at this discussion group
> into the minds of delegates and hopefully into the final policy
> recommendations.
> 
> If you can suggest some phrases and paragraphs for possible insertion
> into these policy recommendations, this would be greatly appreciated.
> Thank you in advance!
> 
> Additional info about the World Health Forum on Aging:
> 
> The Focus of the World Health Forum on Aging:
> 
> The rapid growth of an ageing population is having major impacts on
> nations worldwide. This and other advancements in medical science,
> innovative technological breakthroughs, and vast improvements in
> communications and international relationships, is creating
> significant challenges globally.
> 
> The Objectives of the World Health Forum on Aging:
> 
> During the Forum the participants will: 
> Define the impact of an ageing population as it relates to: 
> �Medicine/Science 
> �Business/Economics 
> �Governments/Public Policy 
> Articulate global policy views. 
> Develop and generate international relationships and global network
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> -- Leonid Gavrilov 
> Author of the book "The Biology of Life Span" 
> http://www.src.uchicago.edu/~gavr1/index.html#Book

Leonid Gavrilov wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> May I ask for your advice on the following issue.
>
> Suppose you have a chance to be heard by high level policy-makers, and
> your recommendations on aging problem could be included in their
> documents for possible important policy decisions.
>
> (1) What would you say to them, so that to promote
> aging/life-extension research ?

The _bulk_ of morbidity and mortality in the first world
are now caused by diseases which are strongly related
to aging (notably cardiac and circulatory diseases and cancer).

There are now promising approaches to understanding
and ameliorating the fundamental causes of aging.

Historically, early intervention in disease processes
have generally been more cost-effective than later
intervention, so intervention in those aging processes
that eventually lead to aging-related diseases is likely
to be more effective than treating the diseases later in
the processs.

(but you already knew all that - hope the phrasing suggests something
useful)

> (2) How would you shape your phrases, so that they be accepted by
> conservative and skeptical policy-makers?

Orrin Hatch can probably be persuaded by arguments
along these lines, since he's argued in favor of keeping
people alive himself.  _Nothing_ will persuade Leon Kass,
who views enforced death on a rigid schedule, over the
objections of the people dying, as a desirable outcome.

    Best wishes,
    -Jeff

> (3) How to say this in a very short way (few sentences), so that these
> suggestions could be included into one-page memorandum ?
>
> Here is why I am asking for your advice:
>
> Next week I will be in Texas at the World Health Forum on Aging:
> http://www.worldhealthforum-us.org/
>
> Somehow I happened to be in a group of delegates who have to suggest,
> discuss and approve policy recommendations on aging problem:
> http://www.worldhealthforum-us.org/deligate2002a.html
>
> I would like to embed the ideas we discuss at this discussion group
> into the minds of delegates and hopefully into the final policy
> recommendations.
>
> If you can suggest some phrases and paragraphs for possible insertion
> into these policy recommendations, this would be greatly appreciated.
> Thank you in advance!
>
> Additional info about the World Health Forum on Aging:
>
> The Focus of the World Health Forum on Aging:
>
> The rapid growth of an ageing population is having major impacts on
> nations worldwide. This and other advancements in medical science,
> innovative technological breakthroughs, and vast improvements in
> communications and international relationships, is creating
> significant challenges globally.
>
> The Objectives of the World Health Forum on Aging:
>
> During the Forum the participants will:
> Define the impact of an ageing population as it relates to:
> �Medicine/Science
> �Business/Economics
> �Governments/Public Policy
> Articulate global policy views.
> Develop and generate international relationships and global network
>
> Kind regards,
>
> -- Leonid Gavrilov
> Author of the book "The Biology of Life Span"
> http://www.src.uchicago.edu/~gavr1/index.html#Book

lagavril@midway.uchicago.edu (Leonid Gavrilov) wrote in message news:<9259eb2.0302131918.1157aa15@posting.google.com>...
> Greetings,
> 
> May I ask for your advice on the following issue.
> 
> Suppose you have a chance to be heard by high level policy-makers, and
> your recommendations on aging problem could be included in their
> documents for possible important policy decisions.
> 
> (1) What would you say to them, so that to promote
> aging/life-extension research ?
> 
> (2) How would you shape your phrases, so that they be accepted by
> conservative and skeptical policy-makers?

When you are speaking to a group of people whose basic philosophy is
diametrically opposed to individual free choice, there is little that
you can say that will help. The best you can do is to exhort them all
to immediately eliminate all government laws restricting and
distorting reality, to resign their positions (which are paid from
stolen money anyway), and to convince all their brother policy-makers
to do the same. In other words, to get out of the way of progress in
life-extension and not derail it as they did with space exploration.
The only "policy" that should ever be made is that of free individuals
through their unrestricted (undistorted by government) purchasing
choices of goods and services. These are the people that you need to
speak to, not some free-loading, non-productive (of any goods or
services that anyone would voluntarily purchase) bureaucrats.

--Paul Wakfer (was: Tom Matthews)

MoreLife for the rational - http://morelife.org
Reality based tools for more life in quantity & quality

tom@morelife.org (Tom Matthews) wrote in message news:<4f0e9375.0302141832.5bfc01c3@posting.google.com>...
> lagavril@midway.uchicago.edu (Leonid Gavrilov) wrote in message news:<9259eb2.0302131918.1157aa15@posting.google.com>...
> > Greetings,
> > 
> > May I ask for your advice on the following issue.
> > 
> > Suppose you have a chance to be heard by high level policy-makers, and
> > your recommendations on aging problem could be included in their
> > documents for possible important policy decisions.
> > 
> > (1) What would you say to them, so that to promote
> > aging/life-extension research ?
> > 
> > (2) How would you shape your phrases, so that they be accepted by
> > conservative and skeptical policy-makers?
> 
> When you are speaking to a group of people whose basic philosophy is
> diametrically opposed to individual free choice, there is little that
> you can say that will help. The best you can do is to exhort them all
> to immediately eliminate all government laws restricting and
> distorting reality, to resign their positions (which are paid from
> stolen money anyway), and to convince all their brother policy-makers
> to do the same. In other words, to get out of the way of progress in
> life-extension and not derail it as they did with space exploration.
> The only "policy" that should ever be made is that of free individuals
> through their unrestricted (undistorted by government) purchasing
> choices of goods and services. These are the people that you need to
> speak to, not some free-loading, non-productive (of any goods or
> services that anyone would voluntarily purchase) bureaucrats.
> 
> --Paul Wakfer (was: Tom Matthews)
> 
> MoreLife for the rational - http://morelife.org
> Reality based tools for more life in quantity & quality

Very well spoken!

"Chuck" <chuckfrasher@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> tom@morelife.org (Tom Matthews) wrote in message
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> > lagavril@midway.uchicago.edu (Leonid Gavrilov) wrote in message
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> > > Greetings,
> > >
> > > May I ask for your advice on the following issue.
> > >
> > > Suppose you have a chance to be heard by high level policy-makers, and
> > > your recommendations on aging problem could be included in their
> > > documents for possible important policy decisions.
> > >
> > > (1) What would you say to them, so that to promote
> > > aging/life-extension research ?
> > >
> > > (2) How would you shape your phrases, so that they be accepted by
> > > conservative and skeptical policy-makers?
> >
> > When you are speaking to a group of people whose basic philosophy is
> > diametrically opposed to individual free choice, there is little that
> > you can say that will help. The best you can do is to exhort them all
> > to immediately eliminate all government laws restricting and
> > distorting reality, to resign their positions (which are paid from
> > stolen money anyway), and to convince all their brother policy-makers
> > to do the same. In other words, to get out of the way of progress in
> > life-extension and not derail it as they did with space exploration.
> > The only "policy" that should ever be made is that of free individuals
> > through their unrestricted (undistorted by government) purchasing
> > choices of goods and services. These are the people that you need to
> > speak to, not some free-loading, non-productive (of any goods or
> > services that anyone would voluntarily purchase) bureaucrats.
> >
> > --Paul Wakfer (was: Tom Matthews)
> >
> > MoreLife for the rational - http://morelife.org
> > Reality based tools for more life in quantity & quality
>
> Very well spoken!

You oughta start a club.

Hi Jeff, 
> Orrin Hatch can probably be persuaded by arguments
> along these lines, since he's argued in favor of keeping
> people alive himself.  _Nothing_ will persuade Leon Kass,
> who views enforced death on a rigid schedule, over the
> objections of the people dying, as a desirable outcome.
  
Unfortunately Mr. Kass seems to be a modern day Jeremiah, warning of
the destruction of civilization due to immorality and wickedness.
Unfortunately as well, he has made the mistake and in fact backed evil
i.e., suffering and death.
Actually the parallels between George Bush and Nebuchadnezzar II are
rather striking. He succeeded his father, attacked other nations and
destroyed cities
with little pretext, concerned with security of his nation he built
great walls
around Babylon and was extremely religious. Daniel, a prophet and
advisor to
Nebuchadnezzar showed him the handwriting on the wall, Mene Mene,
Tekel,
Upharsin, that predicted punishment for his hubris. As a prophet for
President Bush, Mr. Kass would do well to make the commission one
really on bioethics and address issues like is it O.K. to lower
pollution standards and clean water regulations, ignore international
accords on ethics and the environment, allow a large percentage of
Americans to be without healthcare ,and violate civil liberties?


"I worshiped his lordship. In his high trust to far off lands, a road
of hardships I pursued, and the unyielding I reduced. I fettered the
rebels. The land I ordered aright and the people I made to thrive, bad
and good among the people I removed (deported,imprisoned or killed)."
                          Inscription from Nebuchadnezzar's tomb



Tim