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Article #1030Re: Why Some Sentences Lack Truth Values
From: R. Srinivasan
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 07:06
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 07:06
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On May 28, 2:13 am, MoeBlee <jazzm...@hotmail.com> wrote: > On May 25, 12:44 am, "R. Srinivasan" <sradh...@in.ibm.com> wrote: > > > E.g consider the NAFL version of Peano Arithmetic, call this > > NPA. > > What exactly is NPA? For that matter, what exactly is an NAFL theory? > First let me know if you understood the basic ideas in the thread that I had posted earlier, titled something like "FOL/intuitionistic logic versus NAFL. Part 1. Failure of non-contradiction." We need to start from basics, i.e., the fundamental laws of logic, before discussing how a NAFL theory can be constructed. > > > It is true that NPA has infinitely many axioms, which may be > > generated by some rule. Here is a proposition about NPA: > > > NPA is consistent if and only if its axioms are pairwise consistent > > (1) > > How do you infer that? > It is very straightforward. Take a consistent NAFL theory T and let P and Q be sentences (in the language of T) that are undecidable in T. Then T+P and T+Q are consistent theories and there must exist a NAFL model of T in which P must be true and another NAFL model of T in which Q must be true. It follows, from basic NAFL principles, that there must also exist a NAFL model of T in which P and Q are both true, i.e., P&Q is true. This must hold even if T+P proves ~Q, or If T +Q proves ~P; in these cases, the NAFL model is a non-classical one in which the law of non-contradiction fails. This is a fundamental requirement of NAFL and to understand this you need to follow the ideas posted in the thread mentioned earlier. The basic idea here is that T can only reject P&Q by the reasoning "If P (Q), then ~Q (~P)". But since the truth of P (Q) is necessarily axiomatic with respect to T, this reasoning only holds in the NAFL theory T+P (T+~Q). I.e., the "If P...." part in the above sentence is an axiomatic declaration of P by the human being who already has the axioms of T in mind. So the human being has the theory T+P in mind after the "If P..." part. It follows that there is no way for T to refute P&Q. Now if we know that P and Q are consistent with each other, the above- mentioned model will be a classical one, from which the consistency of T+P+Q will follow. By induction, we may conclude that if the axioms of a NAFL theory are pairwise consistent, then T is consistent. Now take a theory like classical PA. To refute what I have said above, you will need the kind of "coding" employed by Godel. I.e., you will have to show that PA encodes a theory like Z in which it is demonstable that pairwise consistency does not imply consistency. But this encoding is rejected in NAFL as infinitary. > > > > Now (1) will go through in NAFL, but not in classical logic. To see > > that (1) is true, we only need to know the rules by which the > > infinitely many axioms of NPA are generated. > > What are those rules? > > The axioms of NPA (the NAFL version of PA) are constructed in the same way in which those of classical PA are constructed. But to describe NPA in detail requires effort and you need to demonstrate some understanding of the ideas posted in the thread mentioned earlier. Regards, RS
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