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Re: "Elementary" Elements in ZFC.

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From: Mike Oliver
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 23:39
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John wrote:
> Mike Oliver <oliver@math.ucla.edu> wrote in message
> news:<3BF949CB.340F494@math.ucla.edu>
>> I can't figure out what you're worried about.  Suppose you give
>> us an example of two essentially different "axioms of extensionality
>> restricted to sets".
> 
> Here's the extensionality principle with which you are familiar.
> 
> N4 AxAy[Az(z in x <-> z in y) -> x = y] Classical Extensionality
> 
> And here's the extensionality principle you asked that I give.
> 
> C4 AxAy[Az(z in x <-> z in y) -> {Et(x in t & y in t) <-> xIy}] Correy
> Extensionality
> 
>> I don't think you can; there's no remotely
>> plausible way of doing so.  Therefore the phrase is not ambiguous.
> 
> Well, what about it?  Do you still hold that the phrase
> "extensionality restricted to sets" is unambiguous?

This discussion is from almost a year ago; I looked back at
it in groups.google.com and can't figure out why I was ever
interested enough to contribute an article to it.  I also don't
know whether you're making a distinction between this predicate "I"
and the equals sign.  But then it's not like I really care.

I'll admit in principle that it's possible to make a distinction
based on whether what's "restricted to sets" is the x,y,z or
just the x,y.
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From: Mike Oliver <oliver@math.ucla.edu>
Newsgroups: sci.logic,sci.math,fa.analytic-philosophy
Subject: Re: "Elementary" Elements in ZFC.
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:39:07 -0700
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