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Article #1082Re: "Elementary" elements in ZFC.
From: John
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 17:54
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 17:54
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torkel@scheutz.sics.se (Torkel Franz?) wrote in message news:<ul0bsi3cmx9.fsf@scheutz.sics.se>...
> john_correy@excite.ca (John) writes:
>
>
> > 1. UNRESTRICTED AXIOM OF EXTENSIONALITY OF Z SET THEORY
> >
> > AxAy[Az(z in x <-> z in y) -> x = y]
> >
> > (Two sets are equal if, and only if, they have the same members.)
>
> Right, and if you add a predicate "x is a set" to the language of
> set theory, you can make "if x and y are sets" explicit.
kramsay@aol.commangled (Keith Ramsay) wrote in message news:<20011117095232.15000.00000541@nso-mr.aol.com>
>>
> One standard way of introducing "atoms" into a set theory is
> by allowing the existence of a bunch of things that have no
> members, and are distinct from each other (only one of which
> is a set: {}).
>
If the predicate "x is a set" is added to the language of set theory
and its domain enriched as per above, how does one guarantee that one,
and only one, non-membered thing is a set? By adding an axiom to that
effect?
John
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