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Article #283Re: Impredicativity - was: Russell's Paradox
From: Torkel Franzen
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 09:08
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 09:08
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In article <1992Nov5.004725.8252@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> pratt@Sunburn. Stanford.EDU (Vaughan R. Pratt) writes: >Again, I'm not in the market to be talked out of Replacement, or talk >anyone out of it. Foundation on the other hand seems as pointless as >the cumulative hierarchy: each needs the other and neither seems to be >much use to the rest of mathematics. The point of the cumulative hierarchy is that it gives an interpretation of ZF, as Zermelo lucidly explains in his 1930 article. The whole business of "Down with foundation!", "Oppose unnatural self-membership!", "Give me replacement or give me death!" as it has appeared here is completely bogus. If you want to introduce a new set theory or a new interpretation of existing set theory, by all means do so if you can. What I am interested in is whether or not you can explain what you are talking about, as has been done with the "standard" theory of non-well-founded sets (in that case by giving a model of the theory in ordinary mathematics).
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!usc!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!cronkite.Central.Sun.COM!texsun!exucom.exu.ericsson.se!ericom!sunic!sics.se!torkel From: torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen) Newsgroups: sci.logic Subject: Re: Impredicativity - was: Russell's Paradox Message-ID: <TORKEL.92Nov5100828@isis.sics.se> Date: 5 Nov 92 09:08:28 GMT References: <Bx693z.H37@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz> <1992Nov4.073717.22625@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> <1992Nov4.134534.17092@husc3.harvard.edu> <1992Nov5.004725.8252@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@sics.se Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista Lines: 18 In-Reply-To: pratt@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU's message of Thu, 5 Nov 1992 00:47:25 GMT