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Article #314Re: Impredicativity - was: Russell's Paradox
From: David Gudeman
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1992 03:48
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1992 03:48
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We better be careful or we're going to end up agreeing on more than just the inadequacy of ZF. In article <1992Nov6.193134.17283@guinness.idbsu.edu> Randall Holmes writes: ]Re Gudeman: ] ]Your criterion for an acceptable property is wrong. ] ]... Some perfectly well-defined open sentences which ]have truth values no matter what is substituted into them cannot have ]extensions or intensions. OK, you have a point. The open sentence "__ is not true of itself" does not form a proposition if you replace the blanks with something that stands for the sentence's (non-existent) proposition, but then you can't expect _any_ open sentence to form a proposition if you fill its blanks with non-existent things. I'll have to rethink my criterion, but that really does not affect my main point about recursion. ]Once again, there is no problem with ]self-membership or non-self-membership holding of particular objects; ]there simply is no "object" which is the extension of ]"self-membership" or "non-self-membership". And this does not mean ]that the objects in the universe are not unambiguously divided between ]the self-members and the non-self-members; there is no ambiguity, no ]gray area between them. But there cannot be a set of the ]non-self-members. I think we agree that there is no property (read "nonspatio-temporal mathematical object") associated with the set of open sentences of the form "__ is an element of __". Our difference is that you think there is a metaphysical explanation for this fact, and I think it can be explained entirely in terms of incorrect use of language. -- David Gudeman gudeman@cs.arizona.edu
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!charon.amdahl.com!pacbell.com!att-out!rutgers!uwm.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!yale.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!ncar!noao!arizona!gudeman From: gudeman@cs.arizona.edu (David Gudeman) Newsgroups: sci.logic Subject: Re: Impredicativity - was: Russell's Paradox Message-ID: <26014@optima.cs.arizona.edu> Date: 7 Nov 92 03:48:57 GMT Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson Lines: 37