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Re: Do completed infinite totalities exist? Was: Lowneheim-Skolem theorem

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From: Torkel Franzen
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 18:54
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   >Everything in mathematics is "relative" to some formal system. To talk
   >about what is absolutely true independent of a formal system is philosophy
   >not mathematics.

  The distinction is quite simple. "Provability in T" is an example of a
concept that has a formal system as a parameter, "uncountable" is an
example of a concept that has no formal system as a parameter, whether
explicit or implicit.

  "Absolute truth" has nothing to do with this. It's just a matter of what
we say and mean in mathematics. The notion that "everything in mathematics is
relative to some formal system", on the other hand, is the expression of
some philosophical doctrine.
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Subject: Re: Do completed infinite totalities exist? Was: Lowneheim-Skolem theorem
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