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Article #812Re: A Guide for Cantor Cranks
From: Albrecht
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 07:51
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 07:51
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On 21 Mrz., 12:30, William Hughes <wpihug...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 21, 8:19 am, Graham Cooper <grahamcoop...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 21, 9:09 pm, William Hughes <wpihug...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Mar 21, 4:09 am, Graham Cooper <grahamcoop...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 21, 4:54 pm, William Hughes <wpihug...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Mar 21, 3:33 am, Graham Cooper <grahamcoop...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Mar 21, 2:30 pm, William Hughes <wpihug...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > My point is you can't support your claim with 2 given diagonals. > > > > > > > > My claim is that given a list of binary sequences I can find a > > > > > > > sequence > > > > > > > not on the list. > > > > > > > > To support this claim I need only one diagonal. When you gave me > > > > > > > two diagonals I chose one and supported the claim. > > > > > > > > Your claim that you can get a generalized diagonal with any finite > > > > > > > prefix is true, but irrelevant. You cannot set the generalized > > > > > > > diagonal to an arbitrary sequence. > > > > > > > - William Hughes > > > > > > > You haven't proven your sequence is not on the list in the 2 diagonal > > > > > > version. > > > > > > > AD1 = 1110... > > > > > > AD2 = 0110... > > > > > > > Can you prove EITHER real is missing from my (secret) list given only > > > > > > the above? > > > > > > > IF YES, then by all means do so! > > > > > > There is a sequence not on your secret list that starts > > > > > 1100. Proof: the n'th digit means that sequence is not > > > > > the n'th line of the list. There may be other sequences that > > > > > starts 1110 on your secret list. > > > > > -William Hughes- > > > > > Well that was concise! > > > > > But it's invalid due to the pigeon hole principle. > > > > > My similar claim to yours is: no matter what numbers I put into the > > > > pigeon holes, there are always more empty pigeon holes than filled > > > > pigeon holes. > > > > The pigeon hole principle does not work > > > for infinite sets. > > > > - William Hughes- > > > I'm not slotting infinite sequences into infinite pigeon holes. > > Correct. As usual you are arguing about infinite sets > using concepts that only work for finite sets. > > Recall > > The anti-diagonal is formed by taking the > diagonal and changing every 0 to 1 and 1 to 0. > > Any claim that the anti-diagonal does not exist is > silly. Any claim that the anti-diagonal is equal to > a row of the list is silly. > Any claim that an irrational decimal number exists is silly. Pi has to be the limit of the serie 3/1, 31/10, 314/100, 3141/1000, 31415/10000, ... If you claim the existence of an irrational decimal number you claim the existence of the number 31415.../10000... with infinite numerator and inifite denominator. Best Albrecht
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