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Article #817Re: A Guide for Cantor Cranks
From: James Burns
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 14:08
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 14:08
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Albrecht wrote: > On 24 Mrz., 10:31, William Hughes > <wpihug...@gmail.com> wrote: >>Absolute piffle. There is no reason that defining the >>existence of the limit of finite ratios means that you >>have to define either infinite quantities, or the ratio >>of infinite quantities. > > So you admit that an infinite decimal number has crucial > other properties than a finite decimal number? You admit > that a number like 3.1415... is crucial different from a > number like 0.75? But you insist that the "behaviour" of > a number like 3.1415... should be like the "behaviour" of > a number like 0.75? > > The axioms behind this view are silly. If I am not mistaken, there is only one axiom that distinguishes infinite decimal numbers (real numbers) from finite decimal numbers (rational numbers, or close enough for our purposes). < For every non-empty set of real numbers, if it has < an upper bound, then it has a least upper bound. Upper bound and least upper bound are defined in the expected ways: Upper bound of set A == a real number greater than or equal to every element of A Least upper bound of set A == an upper bound of A less than or equal to every upper bound of A I just wanted to be sure: do you find this axiom silly?
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