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Article #851Re: A Guide for Cantor Cranks
From: William Hughes
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 12:41
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 12:41
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On Mar 21, 9:11 am, Graham Cooper <grahamcoop...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 21, 9:30 pm, William Hughes <wpihug...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Mar 21, 8:19 am, Graham Cooper <grahamcoop...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > On Mar 21, 9:09 pm, William Hughes <wpihug...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > On Mar 21, 4:09 am, Graham Cooper <grahamcoop...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > On Mar 21, 4:54 pm, William Hughes <wpihug...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > On Mar 21, 3:33 am, Graham Cooper <grahamcoop...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > On Mar 21, 2:30 pm, William Hughes <wpihug...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > My point is you can't support your claim with 2 given diagonals.
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> > > > > > > > My claim is that given a list of binary sequences I can find a
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> > > > > > > > not on the list.
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> > > > > > > > To support this claim I need only one diagonal. When you gave me
> > > > > > > > two diagonals I chose one and supported the claim.
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> > > > > > > > Your claim that you can get a generalized diagonal with any finite
> > > > > > > > prefix is true, but irrelevant. You cannot set the generalized
> > > > > > > > diagonal to an arbitrary sequence.
> > > > > > > > - William Hughes
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> > > > > > > You haven't proven your sequence is not on the list in the 2 diagonal
> > > > > > > version.
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> > > > > > > AD1 = 1110...
> > > > > > > AD2 = 0110...
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> > > > > > > Can you prove EITHER real is missing from my (secret) list given only
> > > > > > > the above?
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> > > > > > > IF YES, then by all means do so!
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> > > > > > There is a sequence not on your secret list that starts
> > > > > > 1100. Proof: the n'th digit means that sequence is not
> > > > > > the n'th line of the list. There may be other sequences that
> > > > > > starts 1110 on your secret list.
> > > > > > -William Hughes-
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> > > > > Well that was concise!
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> > > > > But it's invalid due to the pigeon hole principle.
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> > > > > My similar claim to yours is: no matter what numbers I put into the
> > > > > pigeon holes, there are always more empty pigeon holes than filled
> > > > > pigeon holes.
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> > > > The pigeon hole principle does not work
> > > > for infinite sets.
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> > > > - William Hughes-
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> > > I'm not slotting infinite sequences into infinite pigeon holes.
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> > Correct. As usual you are arguing about infinite sets
> > using concepts that only work for finite sets.
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> > The anti-diagonal is formed by taking the
> > diagonal and changing every 0 to 1 and 1 to 0.
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> > Any claim that the anti-diagonal does not exist is
> > silly. Any claim that the anti-diagonal is equal to
> > a row of the list is silly.
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> > - William Hughes-
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<snip discussion based on properties of finite sets>
Please discuss directly why you cannot take the diagonal
and change ever 0 to 1 and every 1 to 0.
- William Hughes
PS. An example of a list an an anti-diagonal
List formed by counting in binary (n'th row is binary
expression for n followed by an infinite string of 0's.
0000...
1000...
10000...
11000...
...
Anti-diagonal is an infinite string of 1's.
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