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Started by JONATHAN SELDIN
Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:07
Re: A only if B
Author: JONATHAN SELDIN
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:07
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:07
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In article writes: ... >In article <rkaivola.718902434@mits> rkaivola@mits.mdata.fi (Risto Kaivola) writes: >> >> The following is no doubt a little trivial for the participants of this >>group, but I hope someone is willing to help me, nevertheless. >> Exactly how should one formalize the English notion of 'only if' >>in the language of the propositional calculus? ... (Formalization of A only if B requested.) >>A --> B ... (blank lines omitted) >>Or, should this perhaps be B --> A (not in my opinion), or A <--> B >>(this last alternative is more likely to be correct than B --> A, in my >>opinion)? ... >>(Internet address: rkaivola@mits.mdata.fi) > >I'd go for: > >(B --> A) & (-B --> -A) > > >Antoni Diller No!!! Think of A if and only if B. This is A <--> B; A if B is clearly B --> A, and so A only if B must be A --> B. Another way to think of this is in terms of truth table values. In A only if B, the case that is excluded is that A is true and B is false; A only if B is true (truth functionally) in all other cases. This gives us the truth table for A --> B. So rkaivola@mits.mdata.fi was right the first time. -- Jonathan P. Seldin Department of Mathematics seldin@alcor.concordia.ca Concordia University seldin@vax2.concordia.ca 7141 Sherbrooke Street West, Montreal, Quebec, Canada, H4B 1R6
Re: A only if B
Author: Michael Hand
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 02:55
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 02:55
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Jonathan Seldin writes: > Think of A if and only if B. This is A <--> B; A if B is clearly > B --> A, and so A only if B must be A --> B. The indicated argument is invalid: ---------------------------------------------------------------- A if and only if B is paraphrased as A <-> B but A if B is paraphrased as B -> A hence A only if B is paraphrased as A -> B ---------------------------------------------------------------- This is a "subtraction" argument that doesn't look too good. If "A only if B" were correctly paraphrased as the biconditional, then "A if and only if B" and "A if B" could still be paraphrased as the premises indicate, but the conclusion would then be false. Of course, it would then be redundant to say "if and only if" instead of just "only if", but so what? > Another way to think of this is in terms of truth table values. > In A only if B, the case that is excluded is that A is true and B > is false; A only if B is true (truth functionally) in all other > cases. This gives us the truth table for A --> B. This argument begs the question. Anyone who thinks "A only if B" is a biconditional will reject your premise that the only excluded case is that A is true while B is false. They will claim that another excluded case is that A is false while B is true. Nonetheless, "A only if B" has to be paraphrased as A -> B, not the biconditional, otherwise (1) would be a downright inconsistency. (1) John will dance only if Mary dances, and maybe not even then. (The "maybe" is just an epistemic modality, not relevant here.) The consistency of (1) indicates that "only if" is not a biconditional connective, but (1) suggests that perhaps there is a cancelable implicature (not entailment) of the converse conditional. So "A only if B" is paraphrased as "A -> B" if you think formal paraphrases should capture entailments but not implicatures, i.e., if the paraphrase should reveal a "logical form". B-o} Michael _______________________________________________________________________ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Hand phone (409)845-5660, fax (409)845-0458 Dept of Philosophy, Texas A&M Univ, College Station TX 77843-4237 U.S.A.
Re: A only if B
Author: Frank Teusink
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 10:16
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 10:16
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seldin@alcor.concordia.ca ( JONATHAN SELDIN ) writes: [stuff deleted] >Think of A if and only if B. This is A <--> B; A if B is clearly >B --> A, and so A only if B must be A --> B. >Another way to think of this is in terms of truth table values. >In A only if B, the case that is excluded is that A is true and B >is false; A only if B is true (truth functionally) in all other >cases. This gives us the truth table for A --> B. I agree totaly in the mathemathical sense. But I think that when we use the phrase "only if" in language, the "if" part is often implicite. I would not say "Tom will come only if we invite him", if I thought that even with an invitation, Tom might not come. This "if" part might even be considered stronger in the phrase "Only if we invite him, Tom will come to diner". So, I think that if you're interpreting a text, the `A <-- B' part should follow immediatly, while one should somehow look more closely whether or not `A --> B' is implicitely assumend. >Jonathan P. Seldin >Department of Mathematics seldin@alcor.concordia.ca >Concordia University seldin@vax2.concordia.ca >7141 Sherbrooke Street West, Montreal, Quebec, Canada, H4B 1R6 Frank Teusink
Re: A only if B
Author: Gary Merrill
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:57
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:57
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In article <7563@charon.cwi.nl>, frankt@cwi.nl (Frank Teusink) writes: |> I agree totaly in the mathemathical sense. But I think that when |> we use the phrase "only if" in language, the "if" part is often |> implicite. I would not say "Tom will come only if we invite him", |> if I thought that even with an invitation, Tom might not come. I certainly would say this. For example, consider the context Bob will come if he learns of the party -- whether we want him to or not. But Tom will come only if we invite him. Since we haven't yet invited Tom, we of course have no idea of whether he will in fact come (once he is invited) since, for example, he may have a conflict, may want to avoid Bob, etc. If you don't concede this (rather standard, I think) use of 'only if', you have a lot of trouble straightforwardly expressing the thought that Tom is the sort of fellow who won't attend in the absence of an invitation. I agree that it is sometimes (maybe even often) the case in English that 'only if' is used in a context where 'if and only if' is implied, but this does not remove its more fundamental meaning. And I think that you have picked a particularly bad example to illustrate the point. -- Gary H. Merrill [Principal Systems Developer, C Compiler Development] SAS Institute Inc. / SAS Campus Dr. / Cary, NC 27513 / (919) 677-8000 sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com ... !mcnc!sas!sasghm
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