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RE: Comparison between FEM and FDM/CVM for fluid flow modeling

#855
From: Han de Bruijn
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:24
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In article <1992Dec11.165920.3016@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Shekhar Damle:
> Besides the ability to model complex geometries, what are the advantages
> of FEM over the more established Finite Difference Methods(FDM) or Control
> Volume Methods (CVM) when it comes to fluid flow modeling ?

None.

> Does the situation change if fluid flow is coupled with heat transfer as
> has to be done while modeling solidification ?

No.

> Is the situation different if the flow is turbulent ?

No.

> The reason I raise these questions is that I do not know of any other
> advantages of FEM vis-a-vis fluid flow modeling. I do not consider myself
> to be an expert in CFD by any means and I am quite willing to change my mind.

> (Of course it goes without saying that the ability to model complex geometries
> can be quite significant in many situations)

So far so good. Are we truly willing to change our mind?

How about the idea to CHANGE both nowadays FDM and FEM methods?

In fact, nowadays FVM and FEM represent totally different _cultures_,
and it's very difficult, sometimes even dangerous, to cross over from
one champ to the other. But perhaps _that_ should represent a challenge
for everybody who is working in the field. Or are we too "pragmatic",
too busy with our "demanding applications" to consider such a thing?

SUNA = Series on Unified Numerical Approximations.

Numerical methods are not a gift from the gods. They were invented by
humans, and the same humans are free to change the boundary conditions.

SUNA articles are available now on a (more or less) permanent basis, via
"anonymous ftp". They can be retrieved as follows:

   ftp dutrde1.tudelft.nl          (: internet-adress = 130.161.180.13)
   Name:                           (: "anonymous")
   Password:                       (: <user>@<host> )
   cd pub/suna
   ls                              (: list of "suna*.net" articles)
   mget <filenames>

See also "SUNA, Published so far" for the complete list of available articles;
it is contained in the file: "sunall.net". Not everything may be of interest.
Articles may be outdated and sometimes even wrong. Start with "The Manifesto".

Gee, it's indeed high time to clean up this stuff ...
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Subject: RE: Comparison between FEM and FDM/CVM for fluid flow modeling
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