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Article #929RE: finite element limitations??
From: W. Donald Rolph
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:50
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:50
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In article <1992Dec16.095858.5370@dutrun2.tudelft.nl>, rcpshdb@dutrun2.tudelft.nl (Han de Bruijn) writes: |> In article <1992Dec15.092610@roper.mc.ti.com> W. Donald Rolph: |> > You are indeed confused. |> |> I am never confused about these things. |> |> > Any approximation procedure must have trial functions. |> |> No, no. |> |> > In traditional FEA they are called shape functions, choose the name you like |> > but all FEA procedures must have some approximating function over the domain |> > space. |> |> *All* procedures? |> |> Gee, how then could I calculate the temperature distribution in a sodium pump |> by an direct FE method, WITHOUT ever needing such "approximating functions"? |> (An accompanying article is called "Multimode Heat Transfer in Sodium Pumps". |> It is found in the Proceedings of the 0Xth Conference on Numerical Methods |> in Thermal, or whatever, Problems, Swansea U.K., 197X. Look it up ;-) |> |> I also did some work on pure advection without shape functions. But who am I? |> There exists CFD code named "FLOTRAN", which has a "streamline upwind" scheme |> in it, derived directly without shape functions. It's all in my SUNA articles. |> |> And almost any Finite Element book starts with the assembly of resistor-like |> elements, without approximations. The element-matrix of an electrical resistor |> is derived directly by applying the laws of Ohm and Kirchhoff, giving: |> |> | +1/R -1/R | |> | -1/R +1/R | |> |> Just define the connectivity (no coordinates) of your resistor-network, |> two voltages as a boundary condition, and go ... |> -- |> * Han de Bruijn; Applications&Graphics | "A little bit of Physics * No |> * TUD Computing Centre; P.O. Box 354 | would be NO idleness in * Oil |> * 2600 AJ Delft; The Netherlands. | Mathematics" (HdB). * for |> * E-mail: Han.deBruijn@RC.TUDelft.NL --| Fax: +31 15 78 37 87 ----* Blood When you defined your resistor network you assumed a trial function which is linear between the nodes. You also incidentally also assumed triangular elements if you applied this over 2D surfaces (I assume tetrahedrals over 3D but I haven't worked that problem out.). In short just because you chose lumped elements did not remove you from choosing a trial function, it just hid the trial function from your observations! Good luck I enjoy talking with you!! -- Regards. Don Rolph a722756@pan.mc.ti.com WD3 MS10-13 (508)-699-1263
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Newsgroups: sci.math.num-analysis Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!csc.ti.com!tilde.csc.ti.com!pan.mc.ti.com!a722756 From: a722756@roper.mc.ti.com (W. Donald Rolph) Subject: RE: finite element limitations?? Message-ID: <1992Dec16.165059@roper.mc.ti.com> Originator: a722756@roper.mc.ti.com Sender: usenet@pan.mc.ti.com (USENET News System) Organization: Texas Instruments / Attleboro Mass / USA References: <1992Dec16.095858.5370@dutrun2.tudelft.nl> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:50:59 GMT Lines: 53