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Article #63Re: "trends" and others
From: Travis Gee
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:24
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:24
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In <1992Jul21.164831.6412@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> duncan@loris.cisab.indiana.edu (Shan Duncan) writes: >I would like to know how people feel about using such words as "trend". >For example: >When I see the statement: > The data demonstrates a trend towards [fill in the blank], but this > relationship was not significant. >Technically this is correct. In other words I have been told by someone >that you can state a direction (i.e. less, more, greater whatever) as a trend >as long as you state if it is significant or not. Yet at times I read this >as being "hopeful". Yes, it is being hopeful, and those hopes should be augmented by a proper power analysis. If the trend is there, but they only had a 15% chance of detecting an effect of size [f.i.t.b.] given their N and alpha, then that should be a red flag indicating that replication is needed with a more adequate sample. > I have seen this type of statement used when the person >writing the article wants to have the trend in that direction, but they did >not achive statistical significance. Statistical signficance is a mode of rhetoric which we adopt, and which reflects our willingness to risk Type I error. If the poor sap set his alpha at .001, and got .004, then I'd gladly undertake a replication which set more realistic risk-limits on the basis of his 'trend'. But if he set it at .10, with 99% power, I'd tell him to jump in the lake if he asked for funding. >I have also seen statements such as: There was a greater response to >[again fill in the blank] but this was not significant. >I am more comfortable with the former rather than the latter. Me too..."trend" is sufficiently vague without being provocative. >So what are the rules of thumb in cases such as these? Stay with an alpha that is commonly accepted in the literature of [f.i.t.b.] and accompany statements of trend with a calculation of 1-Beta, so the reader can better judge what's happening. If somebody talks about a trend without it, calculate it if you can before passing too much judgement.
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Newsgroups: sci.math.stat Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!torn!cunews!tgee From: tgee@alfred.carleton.ca (Travis Gee) Subject: Re: "trends" and others Message-ID: <tgee.711843849@cunews> Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University References: <1992Jul21.164831.6412@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:24:09 GMT Lines: 44