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Re: Robust chi-squared routine?

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From: Clark D. Thomborson
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:26
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   From: mbk@gibbs.ucsd.edu (Matt Kennel)

   Is a chisquared test appropriate for a situation where the
   number of bins is very large, but the expected value per bin is
   quite a bit smaller than 1?

Funny you should ask.  I have an as-yet-unpublished manuscript on this
very subject (which arose for me in the context of testing the output
of various pseudorandom number generators), available by anonymous ftp
from theory.lcs.mit.edu, directory pub/cthombor/Mrandom.

The "short answer" to your question is that the Pearson statistic is
useful for testing goodness-of-fit to a symmetric multinomial if n >
3\sqrt{k}, but you can't use the standard chi-squared tables safely in
this range.  The "discretization errors" are large, even near the
mean, unless (by the rule of thumb given in most textbooks)
      n > 5k
and (as is not disclosed in any textbook presentation, to my knowledge)
      k > 5
On the extreme upper tail, you're in trouble for any n and k.  The
non-symmetric case looks hopelessly complicated for any approach other
than "enumeration" of the relevant terms in the multinomial.
Furthermore, if there are large variations in cell probabilities, then
the Pearson statistic is pretty awful.  As long as you're enumerating,
you might as well just calculate the exact tail probability....

I still haven't figured out where to publish this stuff.  It was
rejected by the SODA conference.  Now I'm thinking about Interface
'93.  However, this conference seems to be dominated by applied
statisticians who want to learn how to use computers more effectively.
I don't think any mathematical statisticians are likely to attend, but
then again, I've not yet found any mathematical statistician who is
willing to think about "fixing up" that horrid old Pearson test.  The
usual response is that I should think about the likelihood ratio
statistic if I (shudder) really am sure I want to do a hypothesis
test.  In response, I've been digging into the Bayesian-frequentist
controversy, and I think I have a novel "compromise" between these
styles of reasoning.  If you're interested in getting a draft of this
compromise paper, please send email.

I'd appreciate any suggestions as to

1.  where next to submit my Pearson "fixup" result
2.  where to submit a paper on a Bayesian-frequentist compromise

To save net bandwidth, please respond by email.

							Clark

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							Clark
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