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Started by arie
Sat, 05 Jun 1999 00:00
Joel: Chronic encephalopties induced by long term exposure to low doses of mercury (or lead)
Author: arie
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 00:00
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 00:00
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Joel, I remember a long time ago you asked for the proof that mercury
induced encephalopaties.
Here it is:
Ronnback L, Hansson E
Chronic encephalopaties induced by mercury or lead: aspects of
underlying cellular and molecular mechanisms.
Br J Ind Med 49:233-240 (1992)
ABSTRACT: "Long term exposure to low doses of mercury or lead
can induce neurasthenic symptoms with slight cognitive deficits,
lability, fatigue, decreased stress tolerance, and decreased
simultaneous capacity.
After exposure to higher concentrations permanent neuropsychological
deficits can be seen. The present paper gives a new idea of possible
molecular mechanisms underlying the symptoms. Impairments of astrocyte
function are probably important, especially due to their capacity to
regulate the ionic and amino acid concentration in the extracellular
micromilieu, brain energy metabolism, and cell volume. Recent results
have shown that these functions are under monoaminergic control.
Aspects of therapy are outlined."
arie
Re: Joel: Chronic encephalopties induced by long term exposure to low doses of mercury (or lead)
Author: martinhoden
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 00:00
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 00:00
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In article <375973fc.14257142@195.114.231.62>,
arie@no.mail.thanks.nl wrote:
> Joel, I remember a long time ago you asked for the proof that mercury
> induced encephalopaties.
> Here it is:
>
> Ronnback L, Hansson E
>
> Chronic encephalopaties induced by mercury or lead: aspects of
> underlying cellular and molecular mechanisms.
>
> Br J Ind Med 49:233-240 (1992)
>
> ABSTRACT: "Long term exposure to low doses of mercury or lead
> can induce neurasthenic symptoms with slight cognitive deficits,
> lability, fatigue, decreased stress tolerance, and decreased
> simultaneous capacity.
> After exposure to higher concentrations permanent neuropsychological
> deficits can be seen. The present paper gives a new idea of possible
> molecular mechanisms underlying the symptoms. Impairments of astrocyte
> function are probably important, especially due to their capacity to
> regulate the ionic and amino acid concentration in the extracellular
> micromilieu, brain energy metabolism, and cell volume. Recent results
> have shown that these functions are under monoaminergic control.
> Aspects of therapy are outlined."
>
> arie
>
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MERCURY FILLINGS: REALITY IS MORE TERRIFYING:
1. METYLE MERCURY IS ONE OF THE MOST POTENT POISONS KNOWN TO MANKIND.
2. METYLE MERCURY DERANGES CSN IN FETUS.
3. METYLE MERCURY IS ONE OF THE MOST POTENT ENZYME INHIBITORS
ENCOUNTERED IN ENZYMOLOGY.
4. METYLE MERCURY DEVASTATES THE IMMUNE SYSTEM.
ONE BECOMES VULNERABLE TO BACTERIAL/FUNGAL AND
VIRAL INFECTIONS ESPECIALLY HERPESVIRUS INFECTIONS
AND VERY ESPECIALLY HHV-8.
5. DO NOT LET ANY NERD/GIT/DORK MISLEAD YOU:
ITS MECHANISM OF TOXICITY IS EXTEREMELY WELL KNOWN
AND DISCUSSED IN ALL LARGE TEXTBOOKS OF TOXICOLOGY
AND, OF COURSE, IN THE GREAT HANDBOOK OF CLINICAL
PHRAMACOLOGY (IN OVER 40 VOLUMES).
6. DETECTING METYLE MERCURY IN HUMAN BODY IS EASY & OCCURATE.
7. THIS IS NOT SURPRISING: MANKIND HAS USED/MISUSED/ABUSED
MERCURY FOR OVER 4,000 YEARS.
ESPECIALLY THINK OF THE ALCHEMISTS.
NEWTON WAS INTO IT UP TO HIS NECK. AS THE MASTER OF THE MINT
HE TRIED TO STEAL GOLD TRUSTED TO HIM BY USING MERCURY (how?)
he had already tried to steal Leibniz's calculus. Newton was
a kleptomaniac both financially and intellectually.
Dr martin hoden
germany/usa
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Re: Joel: Chronic encephalopties induced by long term exposure to low doses of mercury (or lead)
Author: Zugumba
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 00:00
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 00:00
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martinhoden@my-deja.com wrote in message <7jh72b$2j$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... >Newton was a kleptomaniac both financially and intellectually. One wonders whether this thought was from a mercury poisoned cerebral cortex or one that wasn't working too well to begin with.
Re: Joel: Chronic encephalopties induced by long term exposure to low doses of mercury (or lead)
Author: Anon
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 00:00
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 00:00
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Don't you think you should also send this hilarious post to some joke newsgroup ? Metyle mercury has nothing to do with amalgames...! LOL ! JB Perrin Insitut d'Hygi�ne Industrielle et de l'Environnement (Lyon, FR) <martinhoden@my-deja.com> a �crit dans le message : 7jh72b$2j$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > In article <375973fc.14257142@195.114.231.62>, > arie@no.mail.thanks.nl wrote: > > Joel, I remember a long time ago you asked for the proof that mercury > > induced encephalopaties. > > Here it is: > > > > Ronnback L, Hansson E > > > > Chronic encephalopaties induced by mercury or lead: aspects of > > underlying cellular and molecular mechanisms. > > > > Br J Ind Med 49:233-240 (1992) > > > > ABSTRACT: "Long term exposure to low doses of mercury or lead > > can induce neurasthenic symptoms with slight cognitive deficits, > > lability, fatigue, decreased stress tolerance, and decreased > > simultaneous capacity. > > After exposure to higher concentrations permanent neuropsychological > > deficits can be seen. The present paper gives a new idea of possible > > molecular mechanisms underlying the symptoms. Impairments of astrocyte > > function are probably important, especially due to their capacity to > > regulate the ionic and amino acid concentration in the extracellular > > micromilieu, brain energy metabolism, and cell volume. Recent results > > have shown that these functions are under monoaminergic control. > > Aspects of therapy are outlined." > > > > arie > > > ====================================================================== > > MERCURY FILLINGS: REALITY IS MORE TERRIFYING: > > 1. METYLE MERCURY IS ONE OF THE MOST POTENT POISONS KNOWN TO MANKIND. > > 2. METYLE MERCURY DERANGES CSN IN FETUS. > > 3. METYLE MERCURY IS ONE OF THE MOST POTENT ENZYME INHIBITORS > ENCOUNTERED IN ENZYMOLOGY. > > 4. METYLE MERCURY DEVASTATES THE IMMUNE SYSTEM. > ONE BECOMES VULNERABLE TO BACTERIAL/FUNGAL AND > VIRAL INFECTIONS ESPECIALLY HERPESVIRUS INFECTIONS > AND VERY ESPECIALLY HHV-8. > > 5. DO NOT LET ANY NERD/GIT/DORK MISLEAD YOU: > ITS MECHANISM OF TOXICITY IS EXTEREMELY WELL KNOWN > AND DISCUSSED IN ALL LARGE TEXTBOOKS OF TOXICOLOGY > AND, OF COURSE, IN THE GREAT HANDBOOK OF CLINICAL > PHRAMACOLOGY (IN OVER 40 VOLUMES). > > 6. DETECTING METYLE MERCURY IN HUMAN BODY IS EASY & OCCURATE. > > > 7. THIS IS NOT SURPRISING: MANKIND HAS USED/MISUSED/ABUSED > MERCURY FOR OVER 4,000 YEARS. > ESPECIALLY THINK OF THE ALCHEMISTS. > NEWTON WAS INTO IT UP TO HIS NECK. AS THE MASTER OF THE MINT > HE TRIED TO STEAL GOLD TRUSTED TO HIM BY USING MERCURY (how?) > he had already tried to steal Leibniz's calculus. Newton was > a kleptomaniac both financially and intellectually. > > Dr martin hoden > germany/usa > > ======================================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
Re: Joel: Chronic encephalopties induced by long term exposure to low doses of mercury (or lead)
Author: arie
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 00:00
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 00:00
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On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 15:51:23 -0000, "" " <ihie.lyon.ra@wanadoo.fr> wrote: >Don't you think you should also send this hilarious post to some joke >newsgroup ? >Metyle mercury has nothing to do with amalgames...! LOL ! This is a dumb remark, and illustrates the total lack of knowledge and understanding among people who think they know all about it. There are plenty of bacteria in the oral cavity and the gastro intestinal tract to methylate the mercury before it is absorbed. arie >JB Perrin >Insitut d'Hygi�ne Industrielle et de l'Environnement (Lyon, FR) > ><martinhoden@my-deja.com> a �crit dans le message : >7jh72b$2j$1@nnrp1.deja.com... >> In article <375973fc.14257142@195.114.231.62>, >> arie@no.mail.thanks.nl wrote: >> > Joel, I remember a long time ago you asked for the proof that mercury >> > induced encephalopaties. >> > Here it is: >> > >> > Ronnback L, Hansson E >> > >> > Chronic encephalopaties induced by mercury or lead: aspects of >> > underlying cellular and molecular mechanisms. >> > >> > Br J Ind Med 49:233-240 (1992) >> > >> > ABSTRACT: "Long term exposure to low doses of mercury or lead >> > can induce neurasthenic symptoms with slight cognitive deficits, >> > lability, fatigue, decreased stress tolerance, and decreased >> > simultaneous capacity. >> > After exposure to higher concentrations permanent neuropsychological >> > deficits can be seen. The present paper gives a new idea of possible >> > molecular mechanisms underlying the symptoms. Impairments of astrocyte >> > function are probably important, especially due to their capacity to >> > regulate the ionic and amino acid concentration in the extracellular >> > micromilieu, brain energy metabolism, and cell volume. Recent results >> > have shown that these functions are under monoaminergic control. >> > Aspects of therapy are outlined." >> > >> > arie >> > >> ====================================================================== >> >> MERCURY FILLINGS: REALITY IS MORE TERRIFYING: >> >> 1. METYLE MERCURY IS ONE OF THE MOST POTENT POISONS KNOWN TO MANKIND. >> >> 2. METYLE MERCURY DERANGES CSN IN FETUS. >> >> 3. METYLE MERCURY IS ONE OF THE MOST POTENT ENZYME INHIBITORS >> ENCOUNTERED IN ENZYMOLOGY. >> >> 4. METYLE MERCURY DEVASTATES THE IMMUNE SYSTEM. >> ONE BECOMES VULNERABLE TO BACTERIAL/FUNGAL AND >> VIRAL INFECTIONS ESPECIALLY HERPESVIRUS INFECTIONS >> AND VERY ESPECIALLY HHV-8. >> >> 5. DO NOT LET ANY NERD/GIT/DORK MISLEAD YOU: >> ITS MECHANISM OF TOXICITY IS EXTEREMELY WELL KNOWN >> AND DISCUSSED IN ALL LARGE TEXTBOOKS OF TOXICOLOGY >> AND, OF COURSE, IN THE GREAT HANDBOOK OF CLINICAL >> PHRAMACOLOGY (IN OVER 40 VOLUMES). >> >> 6. DETECTING METYLE MERCURY IN HUMAN BODY IS EASY & OCCURATE. >> >> >> 7. THIS IS NOT SURPRISING: MANKIND HAS USED/MISUSED/ABUSED >> MERCURY FOR OVER 4,000 YEARS. >> ESPECIALLY THINK OF THE ALCHEMISTS. >> NEWTON WAS INTO IT UP TO HIS NECK. AS THE MASTER OF THE MINT >> HE TRIED TO STEAL GOLD TRUSTED TO HIM BY USING MERCURY (how?) >> he had already tried to steal Leibniz's calculus. Newton was >> a kleptomaniac both financially and intellectually. >> >> Dr martin hoden >> germany/usa >> >> ======================================================================= >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >> Share what you know. Learn what you don't. >
Re: Joel: Chronic encephalopties induced by long term exposure to low doses of mercury (or lead)
Author: Joel M. Eichen
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 00:00
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 00:00
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""" <ihie.lyon.ra@wanadoo.fr> wrote: >Don't you think you should also send this hilarious post to some joke >newsgroup ? I thought that we did! Sci.med.dentistry considers it pretty funny! Cheers, Joel -------------------- >Metyle mercury has nothing to do with amalgames...! LOL ! >JB Perrin >Insitut d'Hygi�ne Industrielle et de l'Environnement (Lyon, FR)
Re: Joel: Chronic encephalopties induced by long term exposure to low doses of mercury (or lead)
Author: Joel M. Eichen
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 00:00
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 00:00
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arie@no.mail.thanks.nl wrote: >On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 15:51:23 -0000, "" >" <ihie.lyon.ra@wanadoo.fr> wrote: >>Don't you think you should also send this hilarious post to some joke >>newsgroup ? >>Metyle mercury has nothing to do with amalgames...! LOL ! >This is a dumb remark, and illustrates the total lack of knowledge and >understanding among people who think they know all about it. >There are plenty of bacteria in the oral cavity and the gastro >intestinal tract to methylate the mercury before it is absorbed. >arie Good point! I thought that they were "specialized" bacteria - the kind found in river beds. I am not sure that oral bacteria methylate the mercury. But I am not sure that it is not so either. In short, I have no idea about this! Cheers, Joel ------ >>JB Perrin >>Insitut d'Hygi�ne Industrielle et de l'Environnement (Lyon, FR) >> >><martinhoden@my-deja.com> a �crit dans le message : >>7jh72b$2j$1@nnrp1.deja.com... >>> In article <375973fc.14257142@195.114.231.62>, >>> arie@no.mail.thanks.nl wrote: >>> > Joel, I remember a long time ago you asked for the proof that mercury >>> > induced encephalopaties. >>> > Here it is: >>> > >>> > Ronnback L, Hansson E >>> > >>> > Chronic encephalopaties induced by mercury or lead: aspects of >>> > underlying cellular and molecular mechanisms. >>> > >>> > Br J Ind Med 49:233-240 (1992) >>> > >>> > ABSTRACT: "Long term exposure to low doses of mercury or lead >>> > can induce neurasthenic symptoms with slight cognitive deficits, >>> > lability, fatigue, decreased stress tolerance, and decreased >>> > simultaneous capacity. >>> > After exposure to higher concentrations permanent neuropsychological >>> > deficits can be seen. The present paper gives a new idea of possible >>> > molecular mechanisms underlying the symptoms. Impairments of astrocyte >>> > function are probably important, especially due to their capacity to >>> > regulate the ionic and amino acid concentration in the extracellular >>> > micromilieu, brain energy metabolism, and cell volume. Recent results >>> > have shown that these functions are under monoaminergic control. >>> > Aspects of therapy are outlined." >>> > >>> > arie >>> > >>> ====================================================================== >>> >>> MERCURY FILLINGS: REALITY IS MORE TERRIFYING: >>> >>> 1. METYLE MERCURY IS ONE OF THE MOST POTENT POISONS KNOWN TO MANKIND. >>> >>> 2. METYLE MERCURY DERANGES CSN IN FETUS. >>> >>> 3. METYLE MERCURY IS ONE OF THE MOST POTENT ENZYME INHIBITORS >>> ENCOUNTERED IN ENZYMOLOGY. >>> >>> 4. METYLE MERCURY DEVASTATES THE IMMUNE SYSTEM. >>> ONE BECOMES VULNERABLE TO BACTERIAL/FUNGAL AND >>> VIRAL INFECTIONS ESPECIALLY HERPESVIRUS INFECTIONS >>> AND VERY ESPECIALLY HHV-8. >>> >>> 5. DO NOT LET ANY NERD/GIT/DORK MISLEAD YOU: >>> ITS MECHANISM OF TOXICITY IS EXTEREMELY WELL KNOWN >>> AND DISCUSSED IN ALL LARGE TEXTBOOKS OF TOXICOLOGY >>> AND, OF COURSE, IN THE GREAT HANDBOOK OF CLINICAL >>> PHRAMACOLOGY (IN OVER 40 VOLUMES). >>> >>> 6. DETECTING METYLE MERCURY IN HUMAN BODY IS EASY & OCCURATE. >>> >>> >>> 7. THIS IS NOT SURPRISING: MANKIND HAS USED/MISUSED/ABUSED >>> MERCURY FOR OVER 4,000 YEARS. >>> ESPECIALLY THINK OF THE ALCHEMISTS. >>> NEWTON WAS INTO IT UP TO HIS NECK. AS THE MASTER OF THE MINT >>> HE TRIED TO STEAL GOLD TRUSTED TO HIM BY USING MERCURY (how?) >>> he had already tried to steal Leibniz's calculus. Newton was >>> a kleptomaniac both financially and intellectually. >>> >>> Dr martin hoden >>> germany/usa >>> >>> ======================================================================= >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >>> Share what you know. Learn what you don't. >>
Re: Joel: Chronic encephalopties induced by long term exposure to low doses of mercury (or lead)
Author: Hans Lennros
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 00:00
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 00:00
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Hi Joel, You wrote: >In short, I have no idea about this! That's why the common id�a is: "Share what you know. Learn what you don't." What is surprising is that someone from Insitut d'Hygi�ne Industrielle et de l'Environnement can say that "Metyle mercury has nothing to do with amalgames...! " It shows not what someone know but the other way around. Bye for now, Hans
Re: Joel: Chronic encephalopties induced by long term exposure to low doses of mercury (or lead)
Author: Brian Sandle
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 00:00
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 00:00
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In sci.med.dentistry arie@no.mail.thanks.nl wrote: : Joel, I remember a long time ago you asked for the proof that mercury : induced encephalopaties. That is accepted, it is just the dose that is in question. : Here it is: : Ronnback L, Hansson E : Chronic encephalopaties induced by mercury or lead: aspects of : underlying cellular and molecular mechanisms. : Br J Ind Med 49:233-240 (1992) Journal of Industrial (?) Medicine? What sort of dose is involved? : ABSTRACT: "Long term exposure to low doses of mercury or lead : can induce neurasthenic symptoms with slight cognitive deficits, : lability, fatigue, decreased stress tolerance, and decreased : simultaneous capacity. : After exposure to higher concentrations permanent neuropsychological : deficits can be seen. Was the present paper demsonstrating that for particular doses? The present paper gives a new idea of possible : molecular mechanisms underlying the symptoms. Impairments of astrocyte : function are probably important, especially due to their capacity to : regulate the ionic and amino acid concentration in the extracellular : micromilieu, brain energy metabolism, and cell volume. Recent results : have shown that these functions are under monoaminergic control. : Aspects of therapy are outlined." Is that the same therapy which is done when amalgam removal is being done? Has anyone done the therapy without the amalgam removal? What happenes then? I don't dispute that a few people may have more trouble with any substance. Composite eleicitied in me a perpetual get rid of it spit it out horror worry. Glass ionomer is nearly tolerable. : arie How are your composites faring?
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