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Article #98Re: Question about Hypothetical Type of Thermal Injury. Explained
From: Bob
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:41
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:41
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On 17 Dec 2005 11:15:00 -0800, "Radium" <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote: >Bob wrote: >> On 16 Dec 2005 22:37:41 -0800, "Radium" <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote: >> >> >Okay but what other symptoms would occur? Would the skin texture >> >change? If so, how? >> >> By the rules you established, who knows. > >Why do you say that? Wouldn't denaturing the proteins cause a change in >skin texture? I assume [but DON'T *know*] that the skin would soften >and liquify [given that -- under my rule -- the proteins can't >coagulate]. See, that is the problem. There is no way to know, since you have declared non-natural rules for protein denaturation. > >> I answered the melanin question because it is specific. One could >> study this in the lab... heat melanin under conditions as desired and >> see what happens. > >I've seen burn wound look 'scary' white. Sometimes it looks like white >foam. Once, I was burnt by a hot plate. The wound did look white and >foamy for a while. Why does this happen? [NOTE: this is NOT under my >rules!!!] > >> Skin is part of a complex biological system, > >True. > >> and your groundrules >> essentially say to ignore everything we know. > >How so? It is possible in injure only one organ system w/out injuring >other systems. But that is not what you asked for. You began to specify which individual molecules would react, and you began to specify what they would do. Testing what melanin would do if heated alone is experimentally accessible, but that is not "skin". Testing what something would look like if it behaves contrary to what we know is also not accessible. It is ok to simplify the system (look at one part of it), but then it is not easy to infer how the whole would behave. Further, it is not productive to postulate that a part will behave contrary to nature. > >> What is the point? Sometimes people actually have a purpose for the >> question, then contrive a question that per se makes little sense, and >> does not lead to what is wanted anyway. > >Well, I am interested in the hypothetical. Its like Sci-Fi sometimes. I >know it sounds crazy I am interested in wierd things. ok, fair enough. But don't be surprised if the answers seem odd, too. bob
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