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 My questions are:
>
> 1. How powerful is Oxycontin? Is it as strong as Heroin?

OxyContin is a very powerful drug, a time released form of oxycodone, the
active ingridient in Percocets (Percodans)  While a Percocet may have 5,
7.5, or 10 mg of oxycodone, OxyContins have 20, 40, 80, 120, or 160 mg a
pill.  While not as powerful as heroin, it does come pretty close I hear,
but without the rush unless it was IVed.
>
> 2. Is this drug still commonly prescribed by physicians -- or has
> all the bad publicity steered the doctors away from using it?

While it has recieved a lot of stigma, it is still widely ciruclated mostly
for people with chronic pain.
>
> 3. Is it difficult "getting off" the drug if you become addicted?

As in all opiates, an Oxy addiction is a very difficult to kick.  The
psychological and physical addiction can be very strong on a person.  I'd
say very few successfully quit without relapsing or other complications.
>
> 4. Could Rush Limbaugh conduct a daily radio show if he was
> heavily addicted to this drug?
>

Opiate addicts can reach very high tolerances to the drug and sometimes end
up using more just to feel normal and keep away from the withdrawls.  It is
entirely possible that his tolerance was so high that he kept himself dosed
while doing a radio show and not feeling high, but keeping the withdrawl
away.

> 5. I have read various reports over the past year, that Oxycontin
> was 1st widely misused by people in the Appalachian states. Is this
> true? If so, any reasons why?

Dunno about that.
>
> Thanks for any input.
>
> Chad
>
> Florida Drug Probe Leads to Limbaugh
>
> By Jennifer Frey
> Washington Post Staff Writer
> Friday, October 3, 2003; Page C08
>
> As Rush Limbaugh confronted one self-described "tempest in a
> teapot" during a speech in Philadelphia, a second, potentially
> more damaging controversy involving the popular conservative
> radio talk-show host unspooled yesterday as media outlets
> chased reports that Limbaugh is linked to a drug investigation
> in Florida.
>
> The National Enquirer alleged in yesterday's editions that
> Limbaugh is addicted to painkillers, and reported that his
> purchase of those drugs has led to his involvement in a major
> drug-ring investigation in Palm Beach County, where he has his
> primary home. The supermarket tabloid cited as its main source
> one Wilma Cline, a former housekeeper for Limbaugh who says
> she supplied the drugs -- hydrocodone and OxyContin -- to
> Limbaugh, and later turned him in to county authorities.
>
> The New York Daily News, which had obtained an advance copy
> of the Enquirer article, reported yesterday that it had
> independently confirmed the investigation by the Palm Beach
> County state attorney's office and Limbaugh's link to it.
> Other news organizations -- including the Associated Press,
> Reuters and CNN -- followed with anonymously sourced
> confirmations later in the day.
>
> The frenzy resulted in a deluge of calls for Mark Edmondson,
> a spokesman for the state attorney's office, who repeatedly
> told news organizations that "the office would neither confirm
> nor deny any case that we may have under review." Limbaugh's
> only comment on the allegations -- which he did not address
> during his morning speech at the National Association of
> Broadcasters convention -- came in the form of a statement
> released by Premiere Radio Networks, which syndicates his radio
> show.
>
> "I am unaware of any investigation by any authority involving
> me," the statement read. "No government representative has
> contacted me directly or indirectly. If my assistance is
> required, I will, of course, cooperate fully."
>
> CNN reported that sources told the network that Limbaugh
> "is not the focus of the investigation," but rather that
> his name had come up as a buyer during a "two-year probe of
> a suspected multimillion-dollar black market operation."
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37514-2003Oct2.html

"Chad G." <chadwrth@nospam.com> wrote in message news:3F7D1261.859D9958@nospam.com...
> I have posted this to some on topic (hopefully) groups to learn
> more about this situation. I am somewhat ignorant about illegal
> drug usage and would like a few questions answered, if anyone
> wants to try and help. My questions are:
>
> 1. How powerful is Oxycontin? Is it as strong as Heroin?
>
> 2. Is this drug still commonly prescribed by physicians -- or has
> all the bad publicity steered the doctors away from using it?
>
> 3. Is it difficult "getting off" the drug if you become addicted?
>
> 4. Could Rush Limbaugh conduct a daily radio show if he was
> heavily addicted to this drug?
>
> 5. I have read various reports over the past year, that Oxycontin
> was 1st widely misused by people in the Appalachian states. Is this
> true? If so, any reasons why?


I haven't listened to Rush's show in years.  I thought I remember hearing
that he was a proponent of drug legalization.

The show is actually quite funny ~ just to hear all of the
anti-liberal rhetoric he spouts off!

Jan Drewster could take some lessons from Rosh ha-Limbaugh .... he is
the master of twisting logic!




Joel

On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 21:29:01 -0500, "Poop Dogg" <nospam@nospam.com>
wrote:

>"Chad G." <chadwrth@nospam.com> wrote in message news:3F7D1261.859D9958@nospam.com...
>> I have posted this to some on topic (hopefully) groups to learn
>> more about this situation. I am somewhat ignorant about illegal
>> drug usage and would like a few questions answered, if anyone
>> wants to try and help. My questions are:
>>
>> 1. How powerful is Oxycontin? Is it as strong as Heroin?
>>
>> 2. Is this drug still commonly prescribed by physicians -- or has
>> all the bad publicity steered the doctors away from using it?
>>
>> 3. Is it difficult "getting off" the drug if you become addicted?
>>
>> 4. Could Rush Limbaugh conduct a daily radio show if he was
>> heavily addicted to this drug?
>>
>> 5. I have read various reports over the past year, that Oxycontin
>> was 1st widely misused by people in the Appalachian states. Is this
>> true? If so, any reasons why?
>
>
>I haven't listened to Rush's show in years.  I thought I remember hearing
>that he was a proponent of drug legalization.
>

-- 
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Philadelphia PA

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In article <3F7D1261.859D9958@nospam.com>,
 "Chad G." <chadwrth@nospam.com> wrote:

> I have posted this to some on topic (hopefully) groups to learn
> more about this situation. I am somewhat ignorant about illegal
> drug usage and would like a few questions answered, if anyone
> wants to try and help. My questions are:
> 
> 1. How powerful is Oxycontin? Is it as strong as Heroin?

No, but it's quite addictive nonetheless. Oxycontin is a slow-release 
opiate designed for the relief of chronic pain. Most other opiates have 
too short a duration of action.


> 2. Is this drug still commonly prescribed by physicians -- or has
> all the bad publicity steered the doctors away from using it?

The sad thing about all the publicity over the last few years about 
abuse of oxycontin is that, in certain areas of the country where 
oxycontin abuse is the biggest problem, it may be making doctors more 
reluctant to prescribe narcotics, for fear of being considered a 
prescription mill, but I don't have hard evidence for this. It's just an 
impression from my colleagues.


> 3. Is it difficult "getting off" the drug if you become addicted?

It can be just as difficult as getting off morphine, heroin, or other 
opiates.


> 
> 4. Could Rush Limbaugh conduct a daily radio show if he was
> heavily addicted to this drug?

Yes. Opiate addicts can be highly functional for many years (although 
heroin addiction seems to have worse health effects than other opiates). 
Usually what kills them is an accidental overdose, which is usually from 
IV administration and thus is very uncommon among pill poppers. Usually 
the way opiates ruin a person is financially, which is clearly not an 
issue with Rush, who (if the reported allegations are true) can clearly 
afford all the pills he wants.


> 5. I have read various reports over the past year, that Oxycontin
> was 1st widely misused by people in the Appalachian states. Is this
> true? If so, any reasons why?

It is true. I'm not fully familiar with the reasons why, but part of it 
is definitely availability. The drug can be stolen from pharmacies. 
Doctors can write prescriptions for it inappropriately. It's probably 
cheaper than other drugs. And on and on.

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Orac <Orac@mac.com> wrote in news:Orac-87C14C.09525204102003@news4-
ge1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net:


> 
> 
>> 5. I have read various reports over the past year, that Oxycontin
>> was 1st widely misused by people in the Appalachian states. Is this
>> true? If so, any reasons why?
> 
> It is true. I'm not fully familiar with the reasons why, but part of it 
> is definitely availability. The drug can be stolen from pharmacies. 
> Doctors can write prescriptions for it inappropriately. It's probably 
> cheaper than other drugs. And on and on.
> 

You want the Federal Gov't really doing an investigation with you as a 
target?   Mess around with class III drug prescriptions/theft of class III 
drugs, etc.  It will get you an indictment and a ticket to Club Fed 
quicker than you can even imagine.  You don't ever want the USG to name 
you as a target of an investigation.  Guilty or not, your life will never 
be the same.  I did some expert witness work several years ago and I know 
what really happens and it isn't pretty.  Over 98% of all indictments 
result in a conviction.

The abuse comes in when people make up all kind of stories about pain for 
the express purpose of obtaining class III drugs to get high.  Since there 
is little to quantify pain, a doctor only has what the patient is saying 
to go by.  The med sheets for Oxycontin and the like warn specifically 
against breaking the tablets up, crushing them, etc. as that destroys the 
time release mechanism, but that is exactly what the oxy/ms/-contin 
junkies do.  

The problem isn't the drug, but the user.  

There is also one other fact to consider.  There has never been one case 
where a person who has taken opiods for pain relief, wound up being a 
junkie.  If the user wants to get high, then that is a problem.  

Some people say they are a junkie because they have a physical dependency 
to a drug.  Physical dependency does not a junkie make.  If a pain 
sufferer weans off opiods properly, the side effects of the "withdrawl" 
are minimal to non-existent.

BTW, there is a contract that you sign wqhen you see a doc for opiods that 
states that you are looking for pain relief and not a fix; that you are 
looking for pain relief and not a high.  There are other things that you 
agree to as well, such as proper disposal of excess drugs. So you see, the 
contin abuser has to lie several times to be able to get the drugs they 
seek.  Truth be known, it is the euphoria they seek.  That "Hero" feeling.  
Hero is the root word for Heroin, BTW.


r


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in article 5m2tnv0bc3su186du7i4q9kctsrjs798e9@4ax.com, Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.
at joeleichen@yahoo.com wrote on 10/4/03 1:56 AM:

> The show is actually quite funny ~ just to hear all of the
> anti-liberal rhetoric he spouts off!

I guess that Hitler was funny also. Just read sections of Mein Kampf.
Unfortunately too many people took him seriously.

I am not saying that Limbaaugh is a Hitler-in-waiting, but too many people
take him seriously.

Bill

Yup, him and Jan Drew ,,,, quite a pair!

(That is why I hate her anti-dental-establishment rhetoric!)

On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 20:10:49 GMT, Repeating Decimal
<salmonfry@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>in article 5m2tnv0bc3su186du7i4q9kctsrjs798e9@4ax.com, Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.
>at joeleichen@yahoo.com wrote on 10/4/03 1:56 AM:
>
>> The show is actually quite funny ~ just to hear all of the
>> anti-liberal rhetoric he spouts off!
>
>I guess that Hitler was funny also. Just read sections of Mein Kampf.
>Unfortunately too many people took him seriously.
>
>I am not saying that Limbaaugh is a Hitler-in-waiting, but too many people
>take him seriously.
>
>Bill

-- 
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Philadelphia PA

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Poop Dogg wrote:

> I haven't listened to Rush's show in years.  I thought I remember hearing
> that he was a proponent of drug legalization.

I HATE RUSH :)

But one thing he's pretty on target on is drug usage and kids. He 
doesn't come out and say legalize.. He just says that prohibition 
doesn't work... And abstinence doesn't work. And they need to have a 
different approach.

Cruise - If they killed rush, who would all the mindless idiots follow?
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"Mr. Cruise" <dontspamcruise@poppyseed.org> writes:

>Poop Dogg wrote:

>> I haven't listened to Rush's show in years.  I thought I remember hearing
>> that he was a proponent of drug legalization.

>I HATE RUSH :)

>But one thing he's pretty on target on is drug usage and kids. He 
>doesn't come out and say legalize.. He just says that prohibition 
>doesn't work... And abstinence doesn't work. And they need to have a 
>different approach.


{seen}
According to Matthew Briggs of the Drug Policy Alliance:

  In 1995 he told listeners, "there's nothing good about drug use.
  We know it.  It destroys individuals.  It destroys families. Drug use
  destroys societies.  Drug use, some might say, is destroying this country
  ....  And so if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought
  to be accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up."
  Mr. Limbaugh went on to deny that African Americans are over-incarcerated
  compared to whites as a result of the war on drugs.  The answer to any such
  disparity, he said, was to catch more white drug users, "convict them and
  send them up the river, too."

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