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From Don Palmrose <dpe@inel.gov>

In article <C17vx9.F80@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM>, Stefan Kronkvist INF <skronkvi@aton.abo.fi> writes:
> 
> I am looking for general aircraft-carrier information.
> 
> 1) How many carriers do UK,USA and France have? (names if possible)

For US carriers, I'm not quite sure how many are left but I'll give it a shot
(I don't have a Jane's Fighting Ship handy)

Saratoga,  Forrestal,  Enterprise,  Ranger,  Kitty Hawk,  Independence,  
Kennedy,  Nimitz,  Vinson,  Eisenhower,  Roosevelt,  Lincoln 

Am I missing 2 more?  Lexington may only be used for training now.

[mod note -- Lexingtion is going to be de-commissioned (or may have been
already, and Forrestal is taking her place.

You missed the Constellation (part of the JFK/Kitty Hawk class)

Midway was on it's way back from Japan to be de-commissioned

Steve]

> 2) What kind of aircrafts are they using at their carriers?

US naval aircraft are: 
F-14  interceptor
F/A-18  fighter/bomber
A-6   bomber
EA-6B  electronic countermeasures
S-3   ASW turbojet aircraft
SH-3  ASW helo
SH-60  ASW helo
E-3   early warning radar plane
C-2   cargo/transport plane

> 3) What kind of defensive weaponry is usually fitted on a carrier (exept
>    for the planes of course)?

US carriers have:
Phalanx CIWS
NATO Sea Sparrow
Older ships might have 2 to 4 5"Mk48s if they have not been removed

> 4) Did UK use their carrier(s) at the 'Falklands-War'? 

Yes

> 5) When is the average western carrier built (-50:s -60:s ...)?

All US carriers are now from the mid-1950's and later.

> 6) Are there any major differenses between British,French and US carriers.

Yes, the US carriers are much bigger coming in at about 96K tons fully loaded.

>
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From "david.r.wells" <drw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com>

In article <C17vx9.F80@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> Stefan Kronkvist INF <skronkvi@aton.abo.fi> writes:
>
>Hello!
>
>I am looking for general aircraft-carrier information.
>
>1) How many carriers do UK,USA and France have? (names if possible)
UK: 3, Invincible, Illustrious and Ark Royal.
USA: A bunch. Let's see:
CV-59, USS Forrestal (now our training carrier)
CV-60, USS Saratoga
CV-61, USS Ranger
CV-62, USS Independence
CV-63, USS Kitty Hawk
CV-64, USS Constellation
CVN-65, USS Enterprise
CV-66, USS America
CV-67, USS John F. Kennedy
CVN-68, USS Nimitz
CVN-69, USS Eisenhower
CVN-70, USS Carl Vinson
CVN-71, USS Theodore Roosevelt
CVN-72, USS Lincoln
CVN-73, USS Washington

I guess that makes 14, plus 1 training carrier. Midway is in reserve.
Coral Sea may not be long for this world.

France: 2: Foch, Clemanceau. I believe that they are being replaced by the de
Gaulle class later this decade.

>2) What kind of aircrafts are they using at their carriers?

UK: Harriers & Helicopters
USA: F-14, F/A-18, A-6, E-2, S-3, plus helicopters
France: Etandards, F-8 Crusaders, plus helicopters

>3) What kind of defensive weaponry is usually fitted on a carrier (exept
>   for the planes of course)?

UK: Sea Dart, probably some other stuff.
USA: Sea Sparrow III, Phalanx (usually 3 each)
France: 100mm guns, probably some other stuff.

>4) Did UK use their carrier(s) at the 'Falklands-War'? 

They sure did!

>5) When is the average western carrier built (-50:s -60:s ...)?
These are guesses. "average" is difficult to judge here.
UK: early '80s
USA: '60s (We have had a constant, if slow, building program)
As the '50s vintage Forrestals, and perhaps some of the Kitty Hawks 
are retired, this figure will change.
France: '60s
>6) Are there any major differenses between British,French and US carriers.

Huge ones. US carriers are BIG and operate heavy strike aircraft, launched from
catapults and landed with tailhooks. UK carriers are FAR smaller, and launch
their Harriers off of a ski jump, and land them vertically. French carriers
use the catapult and tailhook scheme, but the ships and aircraft are smaller
than their American counterparts.

>
>If you have some information,please post it.All information will be
>apprissiated.
>
Haven't you ever heard of Jane's Fighting Ships? Check your local library.
You'll get far better info than you'll get from me working from memory.

			David R. Wells

From aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu

> From Don Palmrose <dpe@inel.gov>


> Am I missing 2 more?  Lexington may only be used for training now.
> 
> [mod note -- Lexingtion is going to be de-commissioned (or may have been
> already, and Forrestal is taking her place.
> 
> You missed the Constellation (part of the JFK/Kitty Hawk class)
> 
> Midway was on it's way back from Japan to be de-commissioned
> 
> Steve]

According to my recollection of one of the posts appearing here, AVT-16
_Lexington_ has already been decomissioned and scraped. Can anyone 
confirm or deny that? 

I would assume _Forrestal_ is already on duty, but I haven't had a
chance to drive up to Pensacola lately.

James

From Neil Schellenberger <schellen@mprgate.mpr.ca>

In article <C19nsK.39L@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> Don Palmrose <dpe@inel.gov> writes:

   > 2) What kind of aircrafts are they using at their carriers?

   US naval aircraft are: 
   F-14  interceptor
   F/A-18  fighter/bomber
   A-6   bomber
   EA-6B  electronic countermeasures
   S-3   ASW turbojet aircraft
   SH-3  ASW helo
   SH-60  ASW helo
   E-3   early warning radar plane
   ^^^
That would be ... "interesting" ;-) 

I realize that this is probably just a typo, but I think that the
dedicated AEW plane in use on US CVs is the E-2C Hawkeye.  I believe the
E-3 is the Sentry.

Regards,
Neil
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From Steven.Schultz <Steven.Schultz@mixcom.mixcom.com>

In <C19nsK.39L@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> Don Palmrose <dpe@inel.gov> writes:


>Saratoga,  Forrestal,  Enterprise,  Ranger,  Kitty Hawk,  Independence,  
>Kennedy,  Nimitz,  Vinson,  Eisenhower,  Roosevelt,  Lincoln 

>Am I missing 2 more?  Lexington may only be used for training now.

>[mod note -- Lexingtion is going to be de-commissioned (or may have been
>already, and Forrestal is taking her place.

>You missed the Constellation (part of the JFK/Kitty Hawk class)

>Midway was on it's way back from Japan to be de-commissioned

>Steve]
 
Also: George Washington and America. U.S.S. Lexington (AVT 16) had her last
aircraft landing in February 1991, No. 493,248. In March, 1991, it was decided
to decommission the ship because of maintenence problems. It was stricken
November 30, 1991, and is now a display at Corpus Christi, TX. It was replaced
by U.S.S. Forrestal, redesignated AVT 59 on February 4, 1992, after completing
her last deployment with Carrier Air Wing 6 (CVW 6) from Mayport, FL. She left
in May 1991, and returned that December. The ship entered a complex overhaul
at the Phillidelphia Naval Yard in September 1992, and is scheduled to
complete November, 1993. Most work will be removal of weapons and sensors. 
 
U.S.S. Midway (CV 41) was decommissioned April 11, 1992. The ship left her
long time homeport of Yokosuka, Japan, August 10, 1991. The ship began
stand-down October 1, 1991, after Operation Desert Storm. She is mothballed in
Pacific Fleet Reserve, I believe in Washington. She is mothballed with the
capability to relieve the Forrestal as AVT if Forrestal is returned to service
because of emergency.
 
>Older ships might have 2 to 4 5"Mk48s if they have not been removed
 
No carriers are fitted with them. 
-- 
Steve Schultz     Steven.Schultz@mixcom.com

From bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au

> From Don Palmrose <dpe@inel.gov>
> Stefan Kronkvist INF <skronkvi@aton.abo.fi> writes:
>>
>> I am looking for general aircraft-carrier information.
>>
>> 1) How many carriers do UK,USA and France have? (names if possible)
>
> For US carriers, I'm not quite sure how many are left but I'll give it a shot
> (I don't have a Jane's Fighting Ship handy)
>
> Saratoga,  Forrestal,  Enterprise,  Ranger,  Kitty Hawk,  Independence,
> Kennedy,  Nimitz,  Vinson,  Eisenhower,  Roosevelt,  Lincoln
>
> Am I missing 2 more?  Lexington may only be used for training now.
>
> [mod note -- Lexingtion is going to be de-commissioned (or may have been
> already, and Forrestal is taking her place.
>
> You missed the Constellation (part of the JFK/Kitty Hawk class)
>
> Midway was on it's way back from Japan to be de-commissioned

        I'll add a few more notes. There are 4(?) conventionally powered
"Forrestal" class carriers (oil fired steam boilers), built in the '50's.
All other currently serving carriers are nuclear powered. There are 2
other conventionally powered carriers, Midway and Coral Sea, but they have
been removed from service and are scheduled to be scrapped. There is at
least 1 new carrier due to enter service soon, USS George Washington, and
another under construction, possibly ready by 1996, both based on the
"Nimtz" design.

[mod note -- From all the other posting, here is the "canonical" list
of U.S. Carriers currently being used:

Ship		Class		Propulsion
----------	----------	-----------------
Forrestal	Forrestal	Oil  (note -- used as training carrier)
Ranger		Forrestal	Oil
Saratoga	Forrestal	Oil
Independence	Forrestal	Oil
JFK		JFK/Kitty Hawk	Oil
Constellation	JFK/Kitty Hawk	Oil
America		JFK/Kitty Hawk	Oil
Kitty Hawk	JFK/Kitty Hawk	Oil
Enterprise	Enterprise	Nuclear
Nimitz		Nimitz		Nuclear
Eisenhower	Nimitz		Nuclear
Vinson		Nimitz		Nuclear
Roosevelt	Nimitz		Nuclear
Lincoln		Nimitz		Nuclear

List does not include carriers under construction or not yet commissioned.
As you can see, there are more than 4 conventionally powered carriers

Steve]

        France has 2 conventionally powered carriers, Clememceau (sp?)
and Foch, and 1 nuclear powered carrier under construction (with plans
for a second nuclear carrier) called Charles DeGaulle.

        England has 3 Invincible class carriers, with no immediate
plans for replacing them. All 3 carriers are conventionally powered
using turbines. Names: Invincible, Illustrious, ?.

>> 2) What kind of aircrafts are they using at their carriers?
>
> US naval aircraft are:
> F-14  interceptor
> F/A-18  fighter/bomber
> A-6   bomber
> EA-6B  electronic countermeasures
> S-3   ASW turbojet aircraft
> SH-3  ASW helo
> SH-60  ASW helo
> E-3   early warning radar plane
> C-2   cargo/transport plane

        France: F-8 Crusader     Fighter
                Super Etendard   Attack
                Alize            Anti-sub plane
                Super Frelon     Anti-sub helicopter
                Lynx (?)         Anti-sub helicopter

on the Degaulle: Rafael-M (sp?) (marine version) Fighter/Attack
                 Helicopters unknown

        England: Sea Harrier     Fighter/Attack
                 Sea King        Anti-sub helicopter
                 Sea King AEW    Airborn Early Warning helicopter

>> 3) What kind of defensive weaponry is usually fitted on a carrier (exept
>>    for the planes of course)?
>
> US carriers have:
> Phalanx CIWS
> NATO Sea Sparrow
> Older ships might have 2 to 4 5"Mk48s if they have not been removed

        France: 4 100mm guns. I think a short range missile as well.
on the Degaulle: unknown.

        England. 1 Sea Dart medium range missle launcher.
                 2 GoalKeeper CIWS (based on the US GAU-8, 30mm
                   gatling gun)

>> 4) Did UK use their carrier(s) at the 'Falklands-War'?
>
> Yes

        England sent HMS Invincible and HMS Hermes. Hermes was an
older design, converted to carry Sea Harriers, and has been sold to
India, where it is the Indian Navy flagship.

>> 5) When is the average western carrier built (-50:s -60:s ...)?
>
> All US carriers are now from the mid-1950's and later.

        Both French carriers were built in the late 50's.
        The English carriers were built in the 70's

>> 6) Are there any major differenses between British,French and US carriers.
>
> Yes, the US carriers are much bigger coming in at about 96K tons fully loaded.

        Basically true. No other country has as many carriers as the US,
and no-one has carriers of a similar size to even the smaller Forrestal
class carriers. The French carriers are considered to be "Light" carriers.
The English carriers are classed CVV (vertical *landing* aircraft only,
helicopters and Harrier "jump jets"). Even the DeGaulle, when finished,
will be a "medium" sized carrier.

        Other countries with CVV's are Spain (2), Italy (1), Russia (5 plus
1 incomplete).

        This discussion also hasn't mentioned the US Wasp class, heavy
assault ships (1 launched, 1 building, 2 more to follow) which are
supposed to have a secondary role of "sea control" where they can act as
light carriers using AV-8B Harrier jets and Seahawk anti-sub helicopters.

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From eriks@lin.foa.se (Erik Svensson FOA2)


>From aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu

>According to my recollection of one of the posts appearing here, AVT-16
>_Lexington_ has already been decomissioned and scraped. Can anyone 
>confirm or deny that? 

>I would assume _Forrestal_ is already on duty, but I haven't had a
>chance to drive up to Pensacola lately.

According to World Air Power's book about US naval aviation, _Forrestal_ is
now AVT-59 and _Lexington_ out of commission. It's a very good book, btw.

cheers
--
     Erik Svensson
    Research Officer            National Defense Research Establishment (FOA)
 Guided Weapons Division        Stockholm, Sweden      eriks@fenix.lin.foa.se

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From trh2m@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Thomas Richard Hubbard)

In article <C1D840.94v@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> "david.r.wells" <drw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com> writes:
>USA: A bunch. Let's see:
>CV-59, USS Forrestal (now our training carrier)
>CV-60, USS Saratoga
>CV-61, USS Ranger
>CV-62, USS Independence
>CV-63, USS Kitty Hawk
>CV-64, USS Constellation
>CVN-65, USS Enterprise
>CV-66, USS America
>CV-67, USS John F. Kennedy
>CVN-68, USS Nimitz
>CVN-69, USS Eisenhower
>CVN-70, USS Carl Vinson
>CVN-71, USS Theodore Roosevelt
>CVN-72, USS Lincoln

These don't count as commissioned ships, but the _USS United States_ and
the _USS Stenis_ are under construction at Newport News Shipbuilding.

Tom Hubbard

From TWZ101@psuvm.psu.edu

     Other nations with aircraft carriers include:

     India: 2 (Vikrant/Viraat)
     Argentina: 1 (Vienticinco de Mayo)
     Brazil: 1 (Minas Gerias)
     Italy: 1 (Giuseppe Garibaldi)
     Spain: 1 (Principe de Austurias)

     The Italian and Spanish ships are ski-jump equipped for operating both
 helicopters and Harriers; the Brazillian and Argentinean ships are getting old
 and probably nearing retirement (we saw how effective the Argie ship was in
 the Falklands in '82).  The Indian vessels are also getting old, and reports
 are that a replacement for one of them is under construction.

     Both Japan and Thailand have been tossing around the idea of acquiring
 some form of small carrier/helo assault ship, and it seems that eventually the
 Japanese will get one, but not for several years.

     The former Soviet Republics also have a number of carrier-type vessels in
 various stages of disrepair.

     2 x Moskva Class (Moskva and Lenningrad)--very old, close to retirement--
                operate only KA-25/27 helicopters
     4 x Kiev Class (Kiev, Novorosysk, Minsk, Kharkov(?))--early/mid-1970s
                ships with ski-jumps for Yak-38 "Forgers" and ASW helos; some
                of these are in awful states of repair and need immediate over-
                hauls or scrapping
     1 x Admrial Kuznetsov--full deck carrier, but I believe it has a ski-jump
                as well; operates 40-50 aircraft, Su-27K is main fighter; now
                under Russian control
     1 x Varyag--Still under construction, I think under Ukrainian control;
                reports last year said it was to be sold to China, but all
                parties involved deny it; would need lots of work to get
                functional
     1 x ??--nuclear powered carrier under construction?
     1 x ??--conventional powered carrier under con., like Kuznetsov

                                                T.Z.
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                                 To see the far side of shadow?"--G.T.

From I R A Aggie <aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu>

> From Steven.Schultz <Steven.Schultz@mixcom.mixcom.com>

> Also: George Washington and America. U.S.S. Lexington (AVT 16) had her last
> aircraft landing in February 1991, No. 493,248. In March, 1991, it was decided
> to decommission the ship because of maintenence problems. It was stricken
> November 30, 1991, and is now a display at Corpus Christi, TX. It was replaced
> by U.S.S. Forrestal, redesignated AVT 59 on February 4, 1992, after completing
> her last deployment with Carrier Air Wing 6 (CVW 6) from Mayport, FL. She left
> in May 1991, and returned that December. The ship entered a complex overhaul
> at the Phillidelphia Naval Yard in September 1992, and is scheduled to
> complete November, 1993. Most work will be removal of weapons and sensors. 

So, in the interim, where are the naval aviation candidates (trainees?
cadets???) going to learn their carrier landings, since there is currently
not AVT available?

[mod note -- U.S.S. Forrestal will be serving as the training carrier 

Steve]

James - confused&dazed, but that's nothing new

From "david.r.wells" <drw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com>

In article <C1D89v.9FJ@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu writes:
>
>From aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu
>
>> 
>> You missed the Constellation (part of the JFK/Kitty Hawk class)
>> 
>> Midway was on it's way back from Japan to be de-commissioned
>> 
>> Steve]

As far as I know, Midway has been decommissioned.

>
>According to my recollection of one of the posts appearing here, AVT-16
>_Lexington_ has already been decomissioned and scraped. Can anyone 
>confirm or deny that? 
>

I'll deny it. Lexington has been decommissioned, but thankfully, NOT scrapped. 
She is now preserved in Texas.

				David Wells

From trh2m@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Thomas Richard Hubbard)

In article <C1F6zE.KuB@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
>[mod note -- From all the other posting, here is the "canonical" list
>of U.S. Carriers currently being used:
>
>Ship		Class		Propulsion
>----------	----------	-----------------
>Forrestal	Forrestal	Oil  (note -- used as training carrier)
>Ranger		Forrestal	Oil
>Saratoga	Forrestal	Oil
>Independence	Forrestal	Oil
>JFK		JFK/Kitty Hawk	Oil
>Constellation	JFK/Kitty Hawk	Oil
>America		JFK/Kitty Hawk	Oil
>Kitty Hawk	JFK/Kitty Hawk	Oil
>Enterprise	Enterprise	Nuclear
>Nimitz		Nimitz		Nuclear
>Eisenhower	Nimitz		Nuclear
>Vinson		Nimitz		Nuclear
>Roosevelt	Nimitz		Nuclear
>Lincoln		Nimitz		Nuclear

The USS George Washington was commissioned on Independence Day, '92
at Pier 12, Norolk Naval Base, Norfolk, Va.

Tom Hubbard

[mod note -- Thanks for the update.  Hadn't heard the the GW had been
commissioned.

STeve[

From MegaZone <megazone@realsoon.wpi.edu>

In article <C1F6zE.KuB@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
>> E-3   early warning radar plane

hehe... Wow, impressive. :-)

Just a correction, that is the E-2 Hawkeye, similar to the C-2 Greyhound.

The E-3 Sentry is the 707 based aircraft the press keeps calling the AWACS.
(Which annoys me, AWACS is a mission type. The E-2 and E-3 both do it, so
have several other aircraft like the EC-121, etc....)

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From "S.C.T. Martin" <martin@kawa.ssl.fujitsu.co.jp>


On 25 Jan 93 17:23:38 GMT, bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au said:

bull>         England has 3 Invincible class carriers, with no immediate
bull> plans for replacing them. All 3 carriers are conventionally powered
bull> using turbines. Names: Invincible, Illustrious, ?.

The third ship is Ark Royal (Also was the name of their last 'real'
carrier).

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From ppugliese@pimacc.pima.edu

 
>      The former Soviet Republics also have a number of carrier-type vessels in
>  various stages of disrepair.
> 
>      2 x Moskva Class (Moskva and Lenningrad)--very old, close to retirement--
>                 operate only KA-25/27 helicopters
>      4 x Kiev Class (Kiev, Novorosysk, Minsk, Kharkov(?))--early/mid-1970s
>                 ships with ski-jumps for Yak-38 "Forgers" and ASW helos; some
>                 of these are in awful states of repair and need immediate over-
>                 hauls or scrapping

		The Yak-38 has been withdrawn from service so these ships 
		have no a/c to operate.
		
>      1 x Admrial Kuznetsov--full deck carrier, but I believe it has a ski-jump
>                 as well; operates 40-50 aircraft, Su-27K is main fighter; now
>                 under Russian control
>      1 x Varyag--Still under construction, I think under Ukrainian control;
>                 reports last year said it was to be sold to China, but all
>                 parties involved deny it; would need lots of work to get
>                 functional
>      1 x ??--nuclear powered carrier under construction?

	This one has been scrapped incomplete.
	
>      1 x ??--conventional powered carrier under con., like Kuznetsov

	This one has also been scrapped incomplete.
	

From Chad Barret Wemyss <chadwemy@wpi.wpi.edu>

In article <C1F7BL.LH9@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> TWZ101@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

>     1 x Varyag--Still under construction, I think under Ukrainian control;
>                reports last year said it was to be sold to China, but all
>                parties involved deny it; would need lots of work to get
>                functional

As far as I have heard, construction is continuing, either for the Ukranian 
navy or for international sale.  The Chinese and the Indians are major 
customer prospects, despite what either of them might say.  Both are in a 
position of becoming a major world power within the next 20 years, and a 
nuclear carrier would certainly help national image, if nothing else.

Chad Wemyss
Worcester Polytechnic Institute

From Steven.Schultz <Steven.Schultz@mixcom.mixcom.com>

In <C1F7BL.LH9@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> TWZ101@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

>     Argentina: 1 (Vienticinco de Mayo)

Gone. I can provide operational data if anyone would like it, but the ship was
inactive since June 1986. The ship entered AFNE, Rio Santiago, in October
1988, and after some ideas for overall, including new propulsion, the idea was
cancelled in October 1991. The ship was decommissioned, stricken, and sold for
scrap by May, 1992. 

>     2 x Moskva Class (Moskva and Lenningrad)--very old, close to retirement--
>                operate only KA-25/27 helicopters

Only Moskva remains. In fact, there are plans to scrap it, and may have been
already.

>     4 x Kiev Class (Kiev, Novorosysk, Minsk, Kharkov(?))--early/mid-1970s
>                ships with ski-jumps for Yak-38 "Forgers" and ASW helos; some
>                of these are in awful states of repair and need immediate over-
>                hauls or scrapping
Only Kiev and Novorossiysk remain, at Vladivostok. Very bad condition. Will
probably be scrapped. The other is Admiral Flota Sovetskogo Soyuza Gorshkov, a
modified Kiev-class. It is in Northern Fleet, and the other two may be used
for parts.
 
Kuznetsov and Varyag are as stated, but all others not mentioned here I
believe have been scrapped or never started.
-- 
Steve Schultz     Steven.Schultz@mixcom.com

From gawne@stsci.edu

In article <C1D840.94v@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM>, "david.r.wells" 
<drw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com> gives a laundrylist of carriers including:

> UK: 3, Invincible, Illustrious and Ark Royal.

Given that these are Harrier and Helo carriers shouldn't we also include
the LHA's and the LHD's like Tarawa, Iwo Jima, Pelilieu, and Wasp for the
US of A?  For that matter how about the LPH's?  They're flattops too.

-Bill Gawne,  Space Telescope Science Institute
 MSgt USMCR

From Friedrich BROHS <fbrohs@email.tuwien.ac.at>

r


tvaxc.cc.monash.edu.au said:

r         England has 3 Invincible class carriers, with no immediate
r plans for replacing them. All 3 carriers are conventionally powered
r using turbines. Names: Invincible, Illustrious, ?.

The third ship is Ark Royal (Also was the name of their last 'real'
carrier).

On 25 Jan 93 17:23:38 GMT, bull
tkawa.ssl.fujitsu.co.jp

from "S.C.T. Martin"

I thought they had at least one other carrier they used in tghe
Falklands, the HMS HERMES

Isn't that right? It should be a rather small carrier with Harriers
aboard, but so is the Invincible, too if I remember correctly.