🚀 go-pugleaf

In article <1992Jul28.184456.2733@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>, arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul28.124428@sicsun.epfl.ch> dubuf@sicsun.epfl.ch (Hans DU BUF) writes:
|> >Yesterday I read in my Dutch newspaper (NRC/Handelsblad) that an
|> >initiative has led to the collection of 2,500,000 signatures from 63
|> >countries agaist Spanish bullfights, and that these have been offered to
|> >some Spanish representative.
|> 
|> Isn't this attempting to impose your culture on someone else?
|> --

Yep, so what (apart from the fact that many Spanish people don't like it
themselves). Like "intellectuals" (I hate this word) should take their
responsability in TRYING to suppress stupid habits in their own country,
there exists the same responsability between countries. Of course, I am
sometimes too optimistic, look only what happens in Turkey, the most
disgusting country in the NATO, to people instead of to just animals.
What a shame, and that's only one example.

Also, responding to the reply from Frommert who started this discussion
and who wants to keep a special status for whales because of their
intelligence in contrast to bulls: I think that mankind, after I don't
know how many millennia of intellectual evolution (don't laugh, I know it
is ridiculous), has to decide to respect nature and to keep their hands off
all animals including their biotopes. The question is then where to put
the limit if any: for example, horses may be more intelligent than cows
and are not consumed in many countries, but there are at least no horse-
fights as far as I know and the killing is hidden away in slaughterhouses.

I don't want to continue this discussion because of the many political
and cultural aspects involved, not to speak off ethical aspects. Apart
from intelligence, which I don't accept as the only valid argument, there
are no reasons to kill whales. All products have substitutes now, and
they can eat as much krill as they want, whatever the consequences for
our fishing industry. And if the Norwegian government is fooled by the
industrial lobby, we have also to attack that industry: boycott!