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Article #37Re: Turtles All the Way Down
From: Andrew Laska
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 1994 22:28
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 1994 22:28
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Harry Erwin (herwin@vanish) wrote: : Note that I'm trying to avoid arguments from chaotic dynamics (weak : based on the Grebogi and Ott results) and from computability (the brain : as a Turing machine), since neither show the brain doing anything that a : computer cannot do. : -- : Harry Erwin Why do you avoid such chaotic arguments? I don't know how many reading this have seen the report by Hayes, Grebogi, Ott, and Mark in Phys Rev Letters 73, 1781 (1994). The letter describes the first experimental evidence of communication with chaos. One can easily imagine a situation where a "brain" uses an analagous method. In fact the "kicking" of the parameter as proposed by Ott, Grebogi, et el is something that a computer may not be able to do yet the system could still produce coherent communication. Secondly this kicking could be controlled by some complex indirect feedback similar to the way in which human consciousness does not have access to the rules which alter it. Of course we have no evidence that this approach will be successful but it has potential. Andrew Laska
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fa00e,2046408eafcfd07 X-Google-Attributes: gidfa00e,public X-Google-Thread: 10ca9b,fd68b54591b3153e X-Google-Attributes: gid10ca9b,public X-Google-Thread: 1045ed,fd68b54591b3153e X-Google-Attributes: gid1045ed,public X-Google-Thread: 10681a,fd68b54591b3153e X-Google-Attributes: gid10681a,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1994-10-22 20:51:00 PST Newsgroups: sci.nonlinear,sci.cognitive,bionet.neuroscience,comp.ai.philosophy Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!bga.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!darkstar.UCSC.EDU!news.hal.COM!decwrl!amd!netcomsv!netcomsv!netcom.com!laska From: laska@netcom.com (Andrew Laska) Subject: Re: Turtles All the Way Down Message-ID: <laskaCy3IEo.5Ko@netcom.com> Followup-To: sci.nonlinear,sci.cognitive,bionet.neuroscience,comp.ai.philosophy Organization: Skippy the Wonder Dead Cow X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <37f794$ipf@portal.gmu.edu> Date: Sat, 22 Oct 1994 22:28:00 GMT Lines: 26