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Article #1007Re: Yes, but why do it the hard way?
From: Jon Webb
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:22
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:22
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In article <921210152138_72240.1256_EHL63-1@CompuServe.COM> Jed Rothwell <72240.1256@compuserve.com> writes: ... The nickel cells are infinitely easier to replicate, more stable, far more powerful, and more predictable. The palladium based systems are a useless dead end. Who cares about them? The idea is to get heat, not to bash you head against the wall for months and months trying to replicate an experiment that cost SRI $2 million bucks to get anywhere with. Why bother? ... From my point of view, Tom and the others who are still working with palladium are setting up an expedition to cross the American continent by Conestoga wagon, when they could just buy a ticket and fly Delta. The object is to get there, not to suffer along the way. Well, your analogy almost works, but not quite. It is really more like travelling to Shangri-La by Conestoga wagon vs. Delta airlines. In the beginning we had some people who said it's not hard to get there, just get in your wagon and go, you can find it. Unfortunately they oculdn't show us how because of patent claims. Then it turned out it took weeks to get there, and was a lot harder than they said. People who claimed to have been there weren't able to describe how to get back again, their cameras didn't work or something while they were there, etc. Now, some new people come along and say forget the Conestoga wagons, here's Delta air lines, it works, guaranteed. Well, not exactly *guaranteed*, it turns out it's harder than it looks, but we can do it whenever we want, unfortunately we can't show you how we do it because we want to make money off it, etc. As Scotty on Star Trek said, "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me." When Pons and Fleischmann first announced, I was sort of willing to believe (based on their reputations) that two miracles could occur: fusion could take place in palladium at room temperature and the fusion would not produce copious amounts of neutrons. But I'm not willing to believe in a third miracle, namely that it doesn't require special materials like deuterium. *Especially* since the theory claimed to explain this kind of fusion invokes sub-orbital states of hydrogen, which *really do* violate quantum mechanics -- they are not just situations that might not have been considered before, like deuterium in palladium with applied electrical energy. -- J
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!wupost!uwm.edu!ogicse!das-news.harvard.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!crabapple.srv.cs.cmu.edu!webb+ From: webb+@CS.CMU.EDU (Jon Webb) Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion Subject: Re: Yes, but why do it the hard way? Message-ID: <Bz461J.2n4.1@cs.cmu.edu> Date: 11 Dec 92 21:22:30 GMT Article-I.D.: cs.Bz461J.2n4.1 References: <921210152138_72240.1256_EHL63-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: news@cs.cmu.edu (Usenet News System) Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University Lines: 40 In-Reply-To: Jed Rothwell's message of Thu, 10 Dec 1992 17:16:27 GMT Originator: webb@DUCK.WARP.CS.CMU.EDU Nntp-Posting-Host: duck.warp.cs.cmu.edu