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Article #1172Re: <None> (reply to Britz)
From: Jim Carr
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:31
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:31
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In article <1993Jan21.153047.359@physc1.byu.edu> jonesse@physc1.byu.edu writes: > >Dieter Britz and Jim Carr have recently asked for clarifications on my >comments regarding distinctions between "cold" and "hot" fusion (see >"Quick Replies" by me and "Re: Quick Replies" by Dieter and Jim). Thanks, Steve. It was always clear to me that there was nothing wrong in the way you approached the theory for cold fusion -- either with muons or under pressure, etc. There was an implication in your first post that the important thing was how frequently collisions occured with the barrier rather than the barrier and its penetrability. This has been cleared up by, for example, the following: >The principal idea behind the 1986 paper (replying to Dieter) was that for >fusion in bound electronic molecules, the fusion rate might be increased by >distortion of the molecular potential by subjecting the molecules to extreme >pressures. ... By the way, I really liked the quote you pulled from Tipler. No mention of barrier penetration as a function of E or anything. I wish stuff like that was either done right or not at all in introductory texts. > ... And >the distinction between muon- and electron- catalyzed fusion seems transparent. >No one sees enough neutrons OR helium OR gammas OR tritium (I could go on to >include any products of nuclear reactions) to justifiably associate claimed >xs heat with nuclear reactions. So why throw the BYU work in with P/F claims? > PLEASE HELP STOP THIS NONSENSE. >The distinction is clear in Huizenga's book and Frank Close's, but uncritically >muddled in Mallove's (which I profoundly resent). It seems that believers in >the unfounded notion that xs heat as claimed by P/F is nuclear USE the >low-level nuclear findings of the BYU group and others to support their claims. >To me, this is grossly unfair and fallacious. I will continue to fight such >nonsense. As will I. Actually, as someone who does coincidence experiments you should realize that it was the time relationship between the two events -- with your announcement after P&F -- that led to the view (among those who cannot do arithmetic) that this was confirmation of the nuclear part of the P&F(&H) work. For some time this historical accident (if it was an accident, since F&F knew when Jones was to submit his article) kept the two intertwined while we tried to sort out what was going on. Since things got sorted out, the two different sets of results are only mixed up by those trying to give more credence to the claims of heat. Personally, I would prefer to call your work "cold fusion" and the other stuff "mysterious electrolytic heat" until proven otherwise, but we are stuck with the nomenclature. -- J. A. Carr | "The New Frontier of which I jac@gw.scri.fsu.edu | speak is not a set of promises Florida State University B-186 | -- it is a set of challenges." Supercomputer Computations Research Institute | John F. Kennedy (15 July 60)
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!gatech!mailer.cc.fsu.edu!sun13!ds8.scri.fsu.edu!jac From: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr) Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion Subject: Re: <None> (reply to Britz) Message-ID: <11815@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> Date: 25 Jan 93 18:31:43 GMT References: <1993Jan21.153047.359@physc1.byu.edu> Sender: news@sun13.scri.fsu.edu Reply-To: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr) Organization: SCRI, Florida State University Lines: 54