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Article #1179Re: Fusion Digest 666
From: J_FARRELL
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1993 02:23
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1993 02:23
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> >-------------------- DROEGE@fnald.fnal.gov writes > >Chris Phoenix worries that possibly the Mills experiment failed because >there was a mercury bubbler in the calorimeter. There was a water bubbler >there first. But Mills said the back pressure would not be high enough. >There was also and oil bubbler, then the Mercury. Mills seems to me to be >a moving target. Whenever a careful measurement does not work, you get to >do something different. But his first experiment "works" if done as he >describes. But then you find that a more complete experiment does not work, >then Mills tells you to try something else ... . > This is pure, unadulterated rubbish. Mills recommended that a recombiner **not** be used with the Ni/K+ system. This recommendation was based on his lack of success with recombiners. [This could mean that the process will not work with (or without) a recombiner. Or, it could mean that Mills had not worked out the necessary experimental parameters to get it working with a recombiner.] Nonetheless, Mills is now depicted as a "moving target" by someone who failed to heed Mills' advice and who asked Mills for suggestions to further his (Droege's) perception of how the experimental verification of this excess heat phenomenon should proceed. [Droege *assumes* that an experiment with a recombiner is a more complete experiment. He also *assumes* that if it doesn't work with a recombiner that it doesn't work period.] I will concede that Tom Droege has an excellent calorimeter. [Mills also has a very good data aquisition system and some very sophisticated equipment.] Unfortunately, Droege's calorimeter is not being used to full advantage. I remind you that Droege was getting excess heat without the recombiner. He attributed this heat to recombination (gas analysis by Mills showed little or no recombination). Recombination is a serious complication as long as the output wattage is less than or equal to the input wattage. But as I reported here several weeks ago, Mills (and Thermacore, Inc.) was getting several times VI [typically 20 watts in, V*I = 20 watts with no 1.48 *I correction, and 60 watts out]. Actually, those data were several months old. I am now free to say that more recent experiments have 2.5 watts in and 50 watts out. Once again the 2.5 watts is V*I (no 1.48*I correction). You are welcome to conclude that Mills is making some sort of error--because the details of these more recent experiments will not be published for some time (the older three-fold increase can be achieved using procedures published previously). In my opinion, however, no error is being made. These measurements are difficult at the mW level but not at the 10 W level. Droege's calorimeter could easily do the job, but he would have to sacrifice his recombiner. Alas, hard decisions. Jed Rothwell has been taking a verbal beating of late, but basically I agree with him--the experiment always wins in an encounter between experiment and theory. No exemptions are granted to any theoretician. Best regards to one and all. John Farrell Franklin & Marshall College
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Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!ames!pacbell.com!tandem!zorch!fusion From: J_FARRELL@acad.fandm.edu Subject: Re: Fusion Digest 666 Message-ID: <01GT4LH9NCXE000827@ACAD.FANDM.EDU> Sender: scott@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Scott Hazen Mueller) Reply-To: J_FARRELL@acad.fandm.edu Organization: Sci.physics.fusion/Mail Gateway Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 02:23:45 GMT Lines: 61